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Alice Ituin
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-12-14 22:15:13 UTC
Don't feed the troll ;)
Treyah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-12-14 22:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Treyah
Yeah pretty much that's the thing nobody wants to comment about - is the fact that the game's cloaking mechanism directly makes the game boring. Roaming rarely is as fun as it used to be now because it's almost a guarantee that null sec alliance ratting systems are going to be camped, therefore empty -- meaning no kills, NO FUN. Is this really the kind of game CCP wants?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#23 - 2013-12-14 22:23:28 UTC
kassandra blake wrote:
Dropping a bubble 30 off the station does nothing too when people undock and then redock quickly.
It's for catching people who dock up when they see you come into local. If you're looking to catch ratters in null, you should probably focus on a particular alliance or corp and harass them until they leave.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#24 - 2013-12-14 22:26:48 UTC
Still relevant after all these years.

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Treyah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-12-14 22:32:19 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Still relevant after all these years.


Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day.


Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#26 - 2013-12-14 22:34:35 UTC
Treyah wrote:
it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day.

If your technique isn't working, try improving it. Maybe you'll even learn to enjoy actually being good at something.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#27 - 2013-12-14 22:35:04 UTC
Treyah wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Still relevant after all these years.


Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day.


You've yet to explain, how this is the cloaks fault.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-12-14 22:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
sladin Marks wrote:
Qweasdy wrote:
Treyah wrote:
Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point?


His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining...


Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it.


Being a pussy makes null sec a boring place to be.

Only pussies worry about AFK cloakers.

If it weren't for AFK cloakers, you would just find some new thing to blame for ruining your game, because the root problem, the thing that's really ruining it, is that the person who is playing it is you.

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Treyah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-12-14 22:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Treyah
The reason this issue keeps coming up and everyone is tired of hearing about is because everything I've just said about roaming being hurt by the cloaking mechanics is a view shared view. Hate it all you want and defend the status-quo if you like, but it's not just me -- it's a slanted system rendering someone untouchable and the game's pvp is watered down because people just stay docked as a result. Hence the reason I say it makes the game boring.

There's nothing wrong with a 30 minute timer - similar to cynos - and a 5 minute cool down on cloaking devices. This would be a fantastic change and it would make scanning that much more important -- but something needs to give because roaming pvp is dying a slow death, which is why this issue keeps coming up.
Paranoid Loyd
#30 - 2013-12-14 22:53:00 UTC
Treyah wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Still relevant after all these years.


Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day.




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Cato Black
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-12-14 23:09:36 UTC
OP wants to call himself a "real" pvper but is complaining because the carebear pve fit ratters are docked up due to a cloaker? No one has noticed this??

Small gang pvp is fine because other small fleets don't care about the afk cloaker, all the cloaker is doing is docking up your easy kills. Go find a real fight and get out of general discussion.

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Treyah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-12-14 23:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Treyah
Forum freaks love to argue lol - yeah Cano your pvp is pvp'r than mine, w/e and all that - cloaks still suck and this game is becoming boring as hell because it's taking people out of space to kill. Period. Hopefully ccp actually plays this game then the would realize it's true too. And yes, I love killing pvp loot-pinatas and taking their things ... this is Eve.

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Whatever. Fix this perma-cloaking garbage.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#33 - 2013-12-14 23:18:48 UTC
Local kills gameplay in nullsec, botting kills EVE and removing local would be a massive nerf to botting as well as VAC style bans. STFU about cloaks only botters hate cloaks.
Julius Priscus
#34 - 2013-12-14 23:19:40 UTC
Find out who the afk cloaker belongs to assuming they are neutral..

then afk cloak their systems IF they got any.

sooner or later something will be sorted. be it they pull out their afk'er and you do too.. or you end up logging after you docked lol.
Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-12-14 23:19:48 UTC
Treyah wrote:
Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN!


Go to a wormhole and let me know if the fleet of t3's that are cloaked show up and local... nevermind you wont know if someone has been sitting in there for hours or days. You just take risks or you ship spin in a pos if you are afraid. I rather go do something and see what happens.
Cato Black
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-12-14 23:20:25 UTC
It was a different poster that used the "real" pvper argument, not yours so I apologize for the direct attack, but still, actual pvp gangs will not be deterred by an afk cloaker, so still your argument that it hinders small gang pvp is invalid


also, cloaking should remove you from local, problem solved!

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Cato Black
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-12-14 23:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cato Black
Treyah wrote:
Forum freaks love to argue lol - yeah Cano your pvp is pvp'r than mine, w/e and all that - cloaks still suck and this game is becoming boring as hell because it's taking people out of space to kill. Period. Hopefully ccp actually plays this game then the would realize it's true too. And yes, I love killing pvp loot-pinatas and taking their things ... this is Eve.

Just for fun though from battleclinic

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Whatever. Fix this perma-cloaking garbage.


I just aquired this character 2 months ago, but sure go ahead with your research

btw you have 34 kills in nov/dec, I have 70+, since you wanted to play this game( and I use eve kill not battleclinic, who even uses that anymore?)

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WASPY69
Xerum.
#38 - 2013-12-14 23:29:35 UTC
Would you like some cheese with all that whine?
AFK cloaking is a valid tactic. There's many ways to counter it. Either move one system over or bait the cloaker to attack you, wait for his friends to cyno in, then light your own cyno and murder them.
Like mentioned above me, the only people who whine about AFK cloakers are nullbears, that want to afk mine or afk rat. And it warms my heart every time they tear up about it. Because F* them.
As for your roam issue, I would advice setting a different route on your roam, finding other targets. Are you expecting deadspace fit ratters to serve themselves for you on a silver platter?

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Kat Ellicott
Psamathae
#39 - 2013-12-14 23:32:00 UTC
If someone is docked because there is a cloaked ship in the area, they're going to dock the second you pop up in local as well.

I don't see how changing the way cloaks work will fix anything.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#40 - 2013-12-14 23:36:50 UTC
Treyah wrote:
I'm not as worried about blowing up some 30m isk crap cloaking ship - I want the loot pinatas that are hiding in the station. Stations are a problem too, all stations should be kickouts if you ask me - but if people never undock because some guy is afk in their system then wth is the point in roaming anymore? There isn't one - I tell you, I miss 2007 Eve so much X


Hellcamp the station then and invite the cloaked ship to help you out. Ive flown black ops and can assure you that choosing to uncloak in a paperthin ship against an enemy who can easily destroy you if you make a simple mistake is a risky thing to do and far from being the all powerful exploit that you claim it to be. If people are too frightened to go about their ordinary business when I am about they are the one's with the problem, not me. Plus if you really want fights I can recommend you to some like minded people I know in fade and the cloud ring. They're always happy to entertain a ranting try hard. Let me know and I'll make the introduction.

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