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Rifter Needs LOVE
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claste
Fourth District Sentinels
The Caldari Fourth District
#1 - 2013-12-12 11:09:57 UTC
So the glory days of a rifter eating everything are over and no its probaly the worse t1 frig for pvp. the dps on small auto cannons is horrible to begin with. what frig do people who fly armor rupture and armor canes fly? breacher(mini cyclone)...
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-12-12 14:01:06 UTC
I enjoyed the Rifter being **** for quite a while..

But the novelty is wearing off.

Frigs need another balance pass, Punisher/rifter are both hot garbage.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Seriously Bored
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-12-12 14:21:49 UTC
Wow. Things really have changed since the last time I played. Rifter was frig king from like 2006-2011...

What changed? Or was it the fact nothing changed for it?
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#4 - 2013-12-12 16:31:11 UTC
Everything else got buffed past it. The Rifter can be very good at certain things, if you fit it for those specific things.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#5 - 2013-12-12 16:32:51 UTC
Seriously Bored wrote:
Or was it the fact nothing changed for it?


Bingo. CCP did a classic: "These are currently OP and these are currently crap, so lets buff the living daylights out of the crappy ships and leave the OP ones alone, that should even things out"
Octonetwork
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-12 16:34:32 UTC
Rifter is fine in a a gang, stop trying to balance everything for solo, this is not a solo game...
BA Rooster
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-12-12 17:39:59 UTC
I wont even go into my frustration over the Rifter having its manhood removed.

However, there are now so many good T1 frigs that it renders the topic moot.

The Breacher and Slasher both are fantastic solo frigs.

The Atron is now acctually a mini-Ranis and both can be flown similarly.

The Condor is a frustrating light missile kiter and the Kestral can be set up for either great close in brawling with rockets or more kitty LM.

Merlin, Incursus, Punisher have their place as brawlers and good tanky tackle fit right.

What needs some love are the Assault Frigs.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-12-12 18:06:17 UTC
it got made into a USB hub that people can admire every time they're at their computers. What more LOVE does it need?

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#9 - 2013-12-12 19:43:42 UTC
Octonetwork wrote:
Rifter is fine in a a gang, stop trying to balance everything for solo, this is not a solo game...

An Iteron V is fine in a gang too.

Oh god.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2013-12-12 22:49:37 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
I enjoyed the Rifter being **** for quite a while..

But the novelty is wearing off.

Frigs need another balance pass, Punisher/rifter are both hot garbage.

Both Rifter and Punisher are fine in a select number of cases. In the Punisher's case, when a giant cheap brick is needed for tackle or such. The Rifter is useful when you need complete unpredictability, or one of the rare situations where being "okay" at a lot of things is better than being "great" at a couple things.

I'd give the Punisher (along with several select other ships) the 5% resistance bonus back, plus a possible slight increase in base tracking of all small lasers.

For the Rifter, I would just switch its damage/tracking bonuses to RoF/falloff, resulting in a slight paper DPS increase, decrease in tracking, and increase in falloff. It differentiates it from every other small autocannon ship in both fitting and fighting style, and gives an entry point to projectile falloff PvP.

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Octonetwork
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-13 09:23:12 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Octonetwork wrote:
Rifter is fine in a a gang, stop trying to balance everything for solo, this is not a solo game...

An Iteron V is fine in a gang too.


Thanks for that input.
kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#12 - 2013-12-13 09:49:29 UTC
Nah, Rifter is fine in its hole as Min have other viable frig hulls.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-12-13 11:53:08 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
I enjoyed the Rifter being **** for quite a while..

But the novelty is wearing off.

Frigs need another balance pass, Punisher/rifter are both hot garbage.

Both Rifter and Punisher are fine in a select number of cases. In the Punisher's case, when a giant cheap brick is needed for tackle or such. The Rifter is useful when you need complete unpredictability, or one of the rare situations where being "okay" at a lot of things is better than being "great" at a couple things.

I'd give the Punisher (along with several select other ships) the 5% resistance bonus back, plus a possible slight increase in base tracking of all small lasers.

For the Rifter, I would just switch its damage/tracking bonuses to RoF/falloff, resulting in a slight paper DPS increase, decrease in tracking, and increase in falloff. It differentiates it from every other small autocannon ship in both fitting and fighting style, and gives an entry point to projectile falloff PvP.


There is pretty much nothing in the game you would want to use a punisher for instead of another frig..

Its dps is ****, its control is ****, its speed is ****.

The only thing it has is decent tank.

The Rifters problem is that its doing the exact same thing as the breacher and slasher.. Scram kiting.. Maybe minmatar could use having one frig that isn't a scram kiter?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2013-12-13 12:53:49 UTC
Octonetwork wrote:
Thanks for that input.

You're welcome. If you ever need a list of ships that work fine in a gang, let me know.

Oh god.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#15 - 2013-12-13 15:39:12 UTC
Octonetwork wrote:
Rifter is fine in a a gang, stop trying to balance everything for solo, this is not a solo game...

in a gang and in solo a slasher its just plain better.
same bonuses and same weapon layouts, slasher its faster, and arguably have a better slot layout for both solo and gang.


rifter need a different role there is no point to have 2 frig with the same bonuses, remove the tracking bonus and give it a rof bonus, nag>tempest>cane>ruppie>rifter
Octonetwork
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-12-13 16:01:02 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Octonetwork wrote:
Thanks for that input.

You're welcome. If you ever need a list of ships that work fine in a gang, let me know.


RvB wild gang ? no thanks :)
Crake Gaterau
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-12-13 22:33:58 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
I enjoyed the Rifter being **** for quite a while..

But the novelty is wearing off.



I agree. Flying the Rifter was fun since most people thought it was worse off than it actually is, which gave you a slight advantage in solo pvp. But the novelty does wear off and it is a completely different experience to fly a ship where you can engage more ships more freely. It gave me some perspective on where the Rifter is today when I started flying other ships. Buff away CCP!
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-12-14 00:37:13 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
I enjoyed the Rifter being **** for quite a while..

But the novelty is wearing off.

Frigs need another balance pass, Punisher/rifter are both hot garbage.

Both Rifter and Punisher are fine in a select number of cases. In the Punisher's case, when a giant cheap brick is needed for tackle or such. The Rifter is useful when you need complete unpredictability, or one of the rare situations where being "okay" at a lot of things is better than being "great" at a couple things.

I'd give the Punisher (along with several select other ships) the 5% resistance bonus back, plus a possible slight increase in base tracking of all small lasers.

For the Rifter, I would just switch its damage/tracking bonuses to RoF/falloff, resulting in a slight paper DPS increase, decrease in tracking, and increase in falloff. It differentiates it from every other small autocannon ship in both fitting and fighting style, and gives an entry point to projectile falloff PvP.


I would love to see those changes for the rifter.

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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#19 - 2013-12-14 20:40:11 UTC
I think it would be fine with a bit more fitting space, both cpu and pg wise, maybe 7-10 more pg and 20-30 more cpu.

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#20 - 2013-12-15 10:35:48 UTC
5% reduction in inertia modifier is all it needs.

It hits harder than a slasher. Tanks more than a slasher and is way more flexible than a slasher.

The reduction in inertia gives it something of it's old self back without being OP.

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