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Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 227
Tappits Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion Likes received: 227	#1 - 2013-12-14 10:56:04 UTC 1 Take Note: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=61une0e-hq4&list=UUKab3hYnOoTZZbEUQBMx-ww#t=369 Pay to win = Loose.

Silent Vale LinkNet 7,384
Ramona McCandless Silent Vale LinkNet Likes received: 7,384	#2 - 2013-12-14 10:59:05 UTC Wow That's that multimillion dollar industry quashed Who knew You Tube was so powerful "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway "A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Xerum. 417
WASPY69 Xerum. Likes received: 417	#3 - 2013-12-14 11:08:46 UTC 2 Please give us all an example where you can spend real life money to gain an unfair advantage in EVE that you CAN'T achieve through spending isk on that very same item(s). I have a monocle, your argument is invalid. This signature intentionally left blank

Thebriwan

LUX Uls Xystus

Likes received: 244

#4 - 2013-12-14 11:11:07 UTC

The problem that this guy don't see is the following:

Once, in the old days, there were gamers and other people.
Gamers played on computers, consoles and on tabletops.
AND THE GAMES WERE COMPLEX AND HARD!
In fact so complex and hard that "the other people" could not play them.

Nowadays "the other people" have smart phones and tablets and they have money, too.
And the gaming industry makes games for them.
Games that are incredibly easy, where you can progress faster with money, where you can buy success.

The problem is: the gamers are a minority.
And the gaming industry is a BUSINESS.

How does Marx would describe the situation?
Accumulation of capital? Maximization of profit?

"The other people" win, the gamers loose.

Sulliva Slake

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 25

#5 - 2013-12-14 11:13:03 UTC

WASPY69 wrote:

Please give us all an example where you can spend real life money to gain an unfair advantage in EVE that you CAN'T achieve through spending isk on that very same item(s).
I have a monocle, your argument is invalid.

OK that is a pretty easy question to answer

buy plex + buy a char with said plex = P2W

But eve is a game that I really come to escape the major P2W sources like WoT, Planetside 2 (even they arn't as bad as others)

but really if somone goes and buys a 100 mil SP account in eve they will still suck becuse eve is just not the regular FPS game like otehrs where if your good at CoD your good at all of em

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

Likes received: 7,384

#6 - 2013-12-14 11:16:01 UTC

Sulliva Slake wrote:

buy plex + buy a char with said plex = P2W

but really if somone goes and buys a 100 mil SP account in eve they will still suck

These are mutually exclusive statements

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann


Tappits Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion Likes received: 227	#7 - 2013-12-14 11:17:51 UTC \| Edited by: Tappits EvE-Online is not yet a full FTP game but Dust is. And it’s still a quite interesting video nun the less.


Ramona McCandless Silent Vale LinkNet Likes received: 7,384	#8 - 2013-12-14 11:32:35 UTC 3 Tappits wrote: nun the less. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C5cX7vZ12tA/Tcd40BxuyfI/AAAAAAAAA7I/AQ7AzhXGgBg/s1600/xombi_5.jpg "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway "A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Remiel Pollard

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 8,858

#9 - 2013-12-14 11:41:25 UTC

Sulliva Slake wrote:

buy plex + buy a char with said plex = P2W

Wrong. First of all, a high-skilled toon in the hands of someone unfamiliar with EVE is not going to win squat. Second, you can't win EVE.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Gecko Corp 266
Dalmont Delantee Gecko Corp Likes received: 266	#10 - 2013-12-14 11:46:29 UTC 3 Remiel Pollard wrote: Sulliva Slake wrote: buy plex + buy a char with said plex = P2W Wrong. First of all, a high-skilled toon in the hands of someone unfamiliar with EVE is not going to win squat. Second, you can't win EVE. I second this, I own a high-skilled toon and I still suck. Have sucked since 2004

Remiel Pollard

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 8,858

#11 - 2013-12-14 11:50:12 UTC

Dalmont Delantee wrote:

Remiel Pollard wrote:

Sulliva Slake wrote:

buy plex + buy a char with said plex = P2W

Wrong. First of all, a high-skilled toon in the hands of someone unfamiliar with EVE is not going to win squat. Second, you can't win EVE.

I second this, I own a high-skilled toon and I still suck. Have sucked since 2004

Well that's just because you're in SpaceMonkeys Lol

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Dalmont Delantee

Gecko Corp

Likes received: 266

#12 - 2013-12-14 11:52:51 UTC

Remiel Pollard wrote:

Dalmont Delantee wrote:

Remiel Pollard wrote:

Sulliva Slake wrote:

buy plex + buy a char with said plex = P2W

Wrong. First of all, a high-skilled toon in the hands of someone unfamiliar with EVE is not going to win squat. Second, you can't win EVE.

I second this, I own a high-skilled toon and I still suck. Have sucked since 2004

Well that's just because you're in SpaceMonkeys Lol

I sucked before space monkey's :P

Revenu.Quebec 358
bloodknight2 Revenu.Quebec Likes received: 358	#13 - 2013-12-14 12:15:55 UTC I have nothing against micro transaction if they do not hurt the game. GT6's micro transaction killed the game. Same for DLC. You know there is a problem when a DLC is available the day the game is launch. I wouldn't mind if Eve had micro transaction like new skins for ships or a plex to have back the old damnation model (because YES, the new one sucks).

WASPY69

Xerum.

Likes received: 417

#14 - 2013-12-14 12:17:25 UTC

Sulliva Slake wrote:

WASPY69 wrote:

You just confirmed my post. You can either buy plex, OR you can grind in game to get the same isk. Pay to win would suggest the only way to win would be by paying. Which isn't the case in EVE as you can work your way to billionaire using nothing but in game mechanics. And every single item within EVE is purchasable with in game money.

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Crumplecorn

Eve Cluster Explorations

Likes received: 2,059

#15 - 2013-12-14 12:41:34 UTC

bloodknight2 wrote:

I have nothing against micro transaction if they do not hurt the game. GT6's micro transaction killed the game. Same for DLC. You know there is a problem when a DLC is available the day the game is launch. I wouldn't mind if Eve had micro transaction like new skins for ships or a plex to have back the old damnation model (because YES, the new one sucks).

You missed the point the video was making; If you support it when it doesn't compromise the game, then they'll start compromising the game to try to get more out of you. Sometimes the slippery slope is actually a thing.

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Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 353
Bel Tika Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 353	#16 - 2013-12-14 12:53:37 UTC 1 I agree with the guy on micro-transactions, i dont agree with the OP with it in concern to eve

Xavier Higdon

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

Likes received: 384

#17 - 2013-12-14 13:39:38 UTC

EvE isn't Pay to Win. World of Tanks, Planes and Automobiles is Pay to Win. The developer of that game has clearly stated that in order to compete you must use microtransactions. After reviewing what Gold is used for in that game, I decided to never play it. You need Gold to progress at a reasonable rate, to customize tanks(as you lose anything you replace unless you use Gold) and you even need Gold to start a clan before you can pay to compete.

University of Caille Gallente Federation 3,423
ElQuirko University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 3,423	#18 - 2013-12-14 16:33:11 UTC Thebriwan wrote: How does Marx would describe the situation? Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Nothing to Lose But Their Chains Workers Of The World Unite? Dodixie > Hek


Ramona McCandless Silent Vale LinkNet Likes received: 7,384	#19 - 2013-12-14 16:46:22 UTC 2 Thebriwan wrote: How does Marx would describe the situation? "Im off to play Sim City on the SNES with Dickens. Leave me alone" "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway "A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Bat Country Pandemic Horde 19,001
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#20 - 2013-12-14 16:50:21 UTC 4 Gotta agree with the angry youtuber. Micro transactions are a cancer that is spreading and killing off otherwise good games.