Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is the same as what I found, only exception being that it was specified to include the mass addition from the module, in this case 50m. I ended up with an effective bonus of 1.91 for the Nestor vs 1.36 for the mega. That's a pretty significant difference.

Long story short, this ship is very slow without prop mods, faster than any T1 BS with them.

He meant that that boat will be very agile and accelerate better than a Machariel.


It is sad that she doesn't get another laser bonus

Our shiplines of laserboats is running thinner and thinner every year now. Time to put an end to the laserciede that is going on here.

Oh and the name of that boat should be reconsidered to 'gank me naow!!!'


If this is the beginning of the pirate rebalance then we can expect to see Machariels with a super duper mwd 'burst' for super speed and a fourty second relo- errm... cooldown timer which renders you immobile, turns off all your modules, caps you out and makes you a cyno beacon for any boat with a jumpdrive to find you on the map and jump to you without even a fleet.

I wasn't offended, and didn't intend to come off that way. Guess I'm just use to debating this type of stuff with my friends who are a little more use to my straight-forward communication. It can be less than tactful when I get started, but sometimes I just don't keep my transversal up.

My bad. I should have indicated though that a 4 slot tank is rather sufficient - scary even. Leaving 2 slots for DDA's. That is considerably more damage than 475. 700 it is.

Also I did actually consider your midslot argument, like I said you dont have to fit a cloak. Why the hell would you even want dronerange when jumping? Is it common practice to jump in at more range than right on top of the ganked?

Additionally chaining the cap back up to a desirable amount is not hard, even without a bonus - and again you asked to get "+ cap (for real)" making it even easier.

I'm concerned that a straight comparison with the Rattlesnake leaves the 'snake looking somewhat lacking for non-solo work.

Skill bonuses:
+4% tank (armour or shield)
+10% drone hp / damage

Role bonus:
+50% range
Nestor: RR bonus, survey bonus

Slots: Nestor 7/6/6 (5T), snake 6/7/6 (4L)
Sensors: Nestor 75km / 85 / 7t / 24 Mag, snake 75km / 100 / 7t / 30 Grav
Tank: Nestor 8900 / 9950 / 9900, snake 12750 / 9298 / 9962
Fitting: Nestor 11250 / 680, snake 10k / 710
Drones: Nestor 125/500, 125/400

Snake gets slightly better sensors, slightly better base tank, extra mid. Nestor gets bigger drone bay, RR bonuses, extra high (+ hardpoint). Otherwise they are very similar hulls. Nestor is an armour snake with a bonus to RR vs solo tank.

Other big difference is that the 'snake can be fitted to largely ignore capacitor, while the Nestor very much cannot.

that`s the very big difference and the only reason people still use the rattlesnake over a standard dominix

It has slightly better recharge than a Dominix, has 5 midslots after the propmod (Dominix has 5 overall). So the prposal you made is basicly a jump capable Dominix, a very popular and survivable RR-battleship for good reason already. Well, it maybe has ~50 less dps. Only that you additionaly want to keep the rep bonuses and top it off with extra cap. Then let's not forget, while it lacks a lowslot in comparison to the Domi it has quite the resist bonus, further stacking with the rep bonuses.

So I stand by my opinion, that your proposal is overpowered and bonuses on Remote Repair Systems should never be combined with a covert jumpdrive - which I wholeheartedly agree it should get to fulfill it's exploration role.

Please don't make it an overpriced smaller logistic boat, we have been given carriers for that sole purpose.

Ok that was my point.

It takes either CCCs and or a cap recharger (or two ) in the mids to get a RR domi stable with 2 large repper and and energy transfer, I know that is one of my ratting schemes, two spidering Domi, cheap carrier level damage and cost next to nothing.

Moving on DPS hell, you aren't going to have the space to rack DDAs, there are only 6 lows, so in full on brick mode you are looking at 465 DPS with heavies (lol) and 450 with sentries....530 DPS with 1 DDA 660dps with two. Each DDA costs you a significant price in tank

The mids are equally busy 5 slots after a prop mod doesn't get your very far, remember I suggested a space priest here, so if you want to change tagets you are going to have to stack SeBos, period. Batllleships don't lock fast enough boosted to land armor reps without a bit help, and that help needs to be both huge buffer on the ship being preisted and lock time that isn't measured in 10 second intervals, so after prop and three SeBos you have two slots at most for a cap booster and something else.....Omni, more cap booster, there are never enough mids, on any ship, ever.

Now on the highs, remember I said no turret/launcher bonuses, but 5 & 5 hardpoints, like a geddon, this allows for a LOT of flexibility, you CAN shield/gank, your can cruiser carebear, you can do whatever.....will it be the best at it, likely not, but I can imagine a could of monster DPS builds......none of which would be very threatening in a real battle, but would be pretty cool for missions or ratting or whatnot. In logi trim you are going to be looking at running a 4:3 repper to transfers to get it stable. So no cloak, that was also why I suggested give it a blops-eques cloak bonus, NO targetting bouns, no you are looking at a 5 second delay with cloaking V PLUS getting everything turned on PLUS battleship scan res...PLUS scan res penalty from a cloak you may have (-27% is the best you can do I belive)

......ever actually drive a blops? I takes FOREVER to lock anything short of a batteship, and that is with big money faction cloaks with a minimum scan res penalty AND a SeBo.

While we are at it, dealing with 6 highs tied up with reppers and transfers ((or more) where do the DLAs go? Your drone range crunches down to 55km at that point. Good for self defense but that is about it, unless you are gioing to drop a shiney 2 billion isk pirate ship in scram range.......if you do, go with your bad self.

The jump drive and cloak are just to make it actually viable for those of us that DON'T live in high sec, with the warp changes there is basically no solo battleship, a cruiser can start 4-5 jumps behind you can catch you before you just 3 times, less of there is a big system, and a ceptor can give you half of a region headstart...and catch you in a jump or two. Suffice it to say gating it is out of the question.

Not to mention there are frigate logi, cruiser logi, capital logi and super capital logi, there is no battleship logi, and this would be a great place to start.

...and like I said, you land after a jump with 20% capacitor, how much initial repping do you think is going to happen? That was why I suggest a huge capactiro, its another double edge sword, brick tank and it will take you a GOOD long time to get back to jump cap, fit CCCs and its faster, but you lose the trimarks, SEMIs if you want to carebear, but its makes the rigs a choice based on function, that was exactly why said it. PLUS the rest of the SOE line is covert capabile, giving the BS a reduced power blops role in lieu of a covert-cloak seem not only fitting.....but elegant, EVERY other ship in the line is analogous to one of the T2 hulls just with reduced capability.

Has CCP Rise said anything or updated info?