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Open Letter to James 315 and the New Order of Highsec and those tired of thier actions

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#101 - 2013-10-24 05:43:16 UTC
If I had a kitten for each bad post from a miner in this thread, I could serve a delicious kitten stew to everyone working to make the New Order's dreams a reality.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#102 - 2013-10-24 09:07:40 UTC
I didn't think it was possible, but you filled up my tear bucket. Kindly hold for a moment whilst I grab my other one.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#103 - 2013-10-25 13:10:28 UTC
Kitten soup and teardrop tea. What is for dessert?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-10-25 14:19:53 UTC
I didnt see anywhere near as many tears as I saw poorly written, misinformed, or just plain incorrect posts from the OP.

Smartbombing in highsec huh? Hah!

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2013-10-25 14:28:22 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Smartbombing in highsec huh? Hah!


What seems to be the problem with smartbombing in high-sec? It seems to work fine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlhlwuf4qjs
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-10-25 15:00:40 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
I didnt see anywhere near as many tears as I saw poorly written, misinformed, or just plain incorrect posts from the OP.

Smartbombing in highsec huh? Hah!


Bombs, as in bombs from stealth bombers, can't be launched in hisec. Smartbombs can be activated in hisec; its just not always smart to do so.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#107 - 2013-10-25 15:15:42 UTC
Yeah, I was referring to the general practice of smartbombing in a populated area. In the vid that seemed to work out awesomely :) but I would be afraid to hit non-wt's ect.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Aydala
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2013-12-12 04:26:27 UTC
I went through an entire large bag of Sriracha Beef Jerky with this. Thanks. My spiritual awakening shoul have allowed me to troll these forums like I used to.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#109 - 2013-12-12 10:12:51 UTC
Will wardec New Order for money, gib monies miners.

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#110 - 2013-12-12 18:07:21 UTC

  • CCP has ruled that bumping is an interesting use of game mechanics and thus valid emergent gameplay.
  • Orbiting the rocks only works if you're in a Procurer or a Skiff. And I will still bump you.
  • Getting knocked out of range still reduces your mining yield.
  • Switching to a Procurer or a Skill also reduces your mining yield.
  • Tanked ships can still be bumped.
  • Ship losses are irrelevant to gankers.
  • Less than 10% of the EVE community actually visits the forums, and of those who do, most will not follow your advice.
  • We are in fact winning because now you are actively engaged in the game instead of watching TV until your hold is full. Thank you for playing along.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#111 - 2013-12-13 10:09:37 UTC
I just have one question, if someone pewpews and interrupts them they can fight back, if someone steals from your can you can fight back, the point im getting at is this, if someone fucks with you in EVE, its legitimately put in teh game to allow you to **** them back, yet miners cannot attack a bumper that is ******* with them.

If we look at it in Risk vs Reward terms, bumpers risk nothing because miners cant shoot back without getting CONCORDed, there is no risk in bumping miners, how is this a balanced gameplay mechanic? if we look at it along the lines of everything else in EVEs PVP it isn't, which is a problem because one group of people have an unbalanced gameplay advantage against another.

What I'm is this, repetitively bumping another player is a riskless activity, which generates a huge reward, that's sort of completely against what i have been led to believe occurs in EVE Online.

Before anyone says AFK mining is riskless remember that suicide ganks exist and happen all the time, the tears and evidence enough of that.

And before someone calls me an AFK miner, i don't mine outside of WH space, Veldspar isn't worth it, haven't lost a mining ship in their either and plenty of people have taken a shot at it.

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#112 - 2013-12-13 11:56:33 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
.......yet miners cannot attack a bumper that is ******* with them......



Wrong sir!!!

There are MANY MANY things you can do to avoid a bump......such as having a corp member BUMP THEM FIRST. They could organize a Syrian Suicide Gank Squad to hit said bumper. The possibilities are endless.

Also if you are active at the keyboard you can simply park in the midst of Big Rocks and make it very difficult to manage a bump since you are surrounded by Large Collideable Objects.

Basically, the afkbears whine because they have no way to stop being bumped while they are afk....

And, of course, the best way to Not Being Bumped is to be At The Keyboard and the proud possessor of a shiny Permit.

I suppose they could join a nullsec alliance and afk mine their little hearts away in null.....or a WH corp....but that would simply be waaaaay too much effort for them.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#113 - 2013-12-14 05:59:33 UTC
Except none of them really let them fight back, they can make it harder, but it doesn't stop it in the end, if someone in a catalyst for some reason tries to gank me while I'm flying around in highsec i can pull out drones and plink them until CONCORD vaporise them, and then possibly get the pod kill if its worth losing my ****.

If the only options that exist are to be bumped or pay money to stop bumping that doesn't sound like a sound mechanic.

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-12-14 09:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Magna Mortem
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Except none of them really let them fight back, they can make it harder, but it doesn't stop it in the end, if someone in a catalyst for some reason tries to gank me while I'm flying around in highsec i can pull out drones and plink them until CONCORD vaporise them, and then possibly get the pod kill if its worth losing my ****.

If the only options that exist are to be bumped or pay money to stop bumping that doesn't sound like a sound mechanic.

Having friends helps. I know that most miners don't really have any, but that is something you have to change. Bitching does not help.

You and your fellow miner friend can web each other to avoid being bumped too far off. An alternative is to have a friend sit next to you in a battleship that webs you and permareps you. Last time I have heard you can fit your mids with shields and resistance fields, so that definitely helps. That increases the amount of catalysts needed to destroy your vessel by a few, making gankers kill your competition, which raises your isk/hour. Not that it's much anyway.

The only thing that prevents you from doing so is your own attitude.

Acta, non verba!
Good Posting
Doomheim
#115 - 2013-12-14 11:32:56 UTC
As usual, you are overrating the meaning of the word friendship in a virtual world.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#116 - 2013-12-15 08:19:29 UTC
Except I'm not talking about catalysts blowing **** up, catalysts making things explode is fun, what isn't fun is someone being able to **** with someone with no even recourse against them.

You didn't even read my post.

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Veronica Ice
Doomheim
#117 - 2013-12-15 13:28:33 UTC
Eve is a sandbox. Think of ganking as terrorism and take prcautions. FIT A TANK. WATCH LOCAL. Don't mine "Sittin on a rock", stay 10k off roids and move along the belt. Fix your overview and be aware. As far as the afk thing....well if you fit a tank and you do your research you should know how many salvos you can take from a ganker. But i they want you they will get you. It's a numbers game. Make it as unprofitable for them as you can. If you afk you run a risk. If you think this is unfair you should find something else to play because there are bullies in the sandbox and they will kick sand in your face if they find you. I think I still have a copy of Privateer Big smile.
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2013-12-15 15:31:59 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Except I'm not talking about catalysts blowing **** up, catalysts making things explode is fun, what isn't fun is someone being able to **** with someone with no even recourse against them.

You didn't even read my post.
Fun. Well I'll be damned. You're not having fun. No idea if you're actually mining or not, but miners simply don't have fun. It's definitely not meant to be fun. So there isn't actually an issue if there's no fun. Your whining ain't fun either and still you're doing it. See? The solution is to stop mining. Plain and simple.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#119 - 2013-12-16 02:29:04 UTC
You've convinced me, mining should be removed from EVE entirely.

no more ships for anyone!

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-12-16 02:30:00 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Except I'm not talking about catalysts blowing **** up, catalysts making things explode is fun, what isn't fun is someone being able to **** with someone with no even recourse against them.

You didn't even read my post.


You have no recourse? Do you even play Eve, or just Mining Laser Simulation Online? There are plenty of ways to counter gankers. If you start thinking about what to do when the warning bells go off, you've already lost.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."