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Lack of Trust or just lost the Spark?

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Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
#1 - 2011-11-22 10:50:01 UTC
I just want to expose what a feel or have been feeling for quite some time towards the game and see if i’m the only one or do we have more people thinking this way.

So, I’m not a long time EVE player, my first contact with this game was in 2006 in a trial, I was immediately fascinated with this game, the atmosphere was amazing and with so much information at start we feel a little in such a vast universe, so many choices to make, so many opportunities. Sadly I didn’t subscribe, mainly because the server was having a hard time (big lag) and I was afraid that the game was always like that.

I tried again in 2008 and since then have been playing, not in an obsessive way but whenever I had time available for recreation it was often used to be in EVE. From 2008 till start of 2011 I enjoyed my time here and to be honest I did not see how I could move to other game, how could i? EVE as a game have a freedom that make any player move towards the goal they want and if we don’t like that way things are going it’s just a matter to settle other goals and move forward.

While I was enjoying my stay here i subscribed other account, that way it was possible to build a character focused in ISK production with the goal of supporting the main account. And that was accomplished, it’s amazing how a POS and a invention and builder character can do with a little isk as head start.

In December 2010 my life changed a bit, the company where I work asked me to take a specialization and I eventually got back to college, but this time at night, so my schedule is now completely filled but the will and enjoyment in the game was still there. After this change I unsubscribed my alt account since it was impossible to keep tracking the activity with POS, invention and creation, it was just not worth it. But I kept this account and was planing to play at weekends while I didn’t had any exam.

And I did that, still amazed with this game and thinking that nothing could break my satisfaction while playing it. But then came all the CCP drama, Fearless, e-mails, MT, incarna failure promises, the lack of respect towards the community, etc etc. Most of stuff outside the game but it really touched something, and I think it was the trust and feeling that until that day the game was moving in a road that all people wanted, even with the lag, the little endless bugs that never got fixed, the lousy costumer service, the lack of real content for 1 year or so, that did not moved the trust on CCP, I think most people still believed in this project and was happy to deliver 15€ each month to support it, even when we had people complaining in the forum, most of the times was to improve the game. This community was one of the best I ever seen in a game because it’s really hard to synchronize so many people and make them push in the same way.

So here I was, dissapointed with all the crap that happened after Incarna went out and thinking how could I lost all the will to play, how could that be possible? I started thinking that might be just a period of time, maybe is just because I don’t have time to play now, it is?

As a stand of my position as a costumer I canceled my account, but since I still wanted to believe in this game I used a little portion of the isk I gathered and purchased 6 plex and waited.. December is the last month of plex and I still feel the same way, even with all the apparent mentality change in CCP, but it’s strange because the game as a “game” did not changed with any of the drama that shed out, so why did I lost the enjoyment?

Anyway, I just wanted to share my view and what happened to me game wise. Sorry about the lousy english but it’s easy to see that’s not my first language. :)
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2 - 2011-11-22 11:09:37 UTC
Things haven't gotten bad enough for me, or my friends who share my playstyle, to quit. Some of the more recent changes, like the "dec shield" stuff, certainly aren't helping matters. If CCP continues on their current path (Crucible seems to be delivering on some of the most-needed changes), and also addresses some issues related to core gameplay concepts that are important for bittervets (see: supercapitals, sovereignty, empire war system), I don't think there will ever be a reason for us to go away.

However, we represent a small-ish, and steadily decreasing, population segment of the EVE playerbase. If this game ever takes the plunge toward becoming another generic pve grinder (signs of this can be seen in the Sansha "raids" for example), then I will not hesitate to either go to a pve MMO with actual atmosphere, or find another entertainment medium entirely.

Anyways, I know where you're coming from, because I know some people in the same boat as you. My advice is: evaluate the next expansion as objectively as you can (maybe take a break first), and if it gets a passing grade, reward CCP with your subscription and see if they follow through.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-22 11:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
I just want to expose what a feel or have been feeling for quite some time towards the game and see if i’m the only one or do we have more people thinking this way.

So, I’m not a long time EVE player, my first contact with this game was in 2006 in a trial, I was immediately fascinated with this game, the atmosphere was amazing and with so much information at start we feel a little in such a vast universe, so many choices to make, so many opportunities.
...

From 2008 till start of 2011 I enjoyed my time here and to be honest I did not see how I could move to other game, how could i? EVE as a game have a freedom that make any player move towards the goal they want and if we don’t like that way things are going it’s just a matter to settle other goals and move forward.

...

While I was enjoying my stay here i subscribed other account, that way it was possible to build a character focused in ISK production with the goal of supporting the main account. And that was accomplished, it’s amazing how a POS and a invention and builder character can do with a little isk as head start.
....

And I did that, still amazed with this game and thinking that nothing could break my satisfaction while playing it. But then came all the CCP drama, Fearless, e-mails, MT, incarna failure promises, the lack of respect towards the community, etc etc.

Most of stuff outside the game but it really touched something, and I think it was the trust and feeling that until that day the game was moving in a road that all people wanted, even with the lag, the little endless bugs that never got fixed, the lousy costumer service, the lack of real content for 1 year or so, that did not moved the trust on CCP, I think most people still believed in this project and was happy to deliver 15€ each month to support it, even when we had people complaining in the forum, most of the times was to improve the game. This community was one of the best I ever seen in a game because it’s really hard to synchronize so many people and make them push in the same way.
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So here I was, dissapointed with all the crap that happened after Incarna went out and thinking how could I lost all the will to play, how could that be possible? I started thinking that might be just a period of time, maybe is just because I don’t have time to play now, it is?

So you're basically saying that you got bored of the game. Game didn't lost anything (bolded part). So you found nice reasons to cry about and now you are leaving.

Known story. Sorry but these threads were popular half a year ago. Today (before Winter's expansion) i don't see reasons to leave "because of lack of content" or MT, Fearless, etc...

Good luck outside. But please leave nice. Don't make yourself look worse.

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McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#4 - 2011-11-22 11:20:12 UTC
Well, over 3 years of playing is quite a long time. Its not surprising that you lost interest, you will just get the standard answers here, make a break, try something new in Eve etc. You can do that and see if the interest comes back- can't be helped if not.

I am in a similar situation, I also started playing in mid 2008 and was pretty active in the game, tried 0.0, tried lowsec, some wormholing, exploration, highsec wars etc. Now I don't play as much any more simply due to the fact that I tried most of the things I was interested in and reached my goals I wanted to achieve. It's simply the lack of novelty and lack of new content after years of playing.

The most important thing that prevents me from playing more often is the time investment when you want to PvP. I have the impression that when I started playing, players were in general more willing to come out for a fight and I was more wiling to wait to get my PvP- nowadays I simply don't have the patience any more to fly around for hours to get a kill when I could play BF 3 or Anno 2070 or Skyrim instead.

That said I still didn't lose my interest, I keep logging in and make some iskies via exploration for PLEX, just not as frequent as I did earlier, I just keep the account active and wait for new things to come. Maybe they will release new meaningful content like wormholes was in the future and I start playing more often again.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-22 11:25:10 UTC
OP you complain CCP have doing nothing to improve their relations with the subscribers yet it is only 7 more days left til the Crucible expansion is released. Code takes time to write and test. Models take time to design and texture.

This expansion is addressing many of the issues the players expressed during the jita riots and monoclegate days.

So i don't see why your are whining about CCP cos they are trying to fix Eve Online... be patient and give them that chance.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.

Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
#6 - 2011-11-22 11:33:14 UTC
Sorry if i don't follow the trolls flavor of the month threads, it's just about sharing points of view. But yea, one of the things outside the game that definitely lost the spark was in fact the forum. Go figure..

I don't feel it's about getting bored of the game, maybe it's disappointment that lead for the lack of interest. Anyway, maybe it's my lack of english that dont let me explain like i want but i not whining about CCP lack of commitment at this moment but the possible consequences that resulted from some months ago.

Probably most of the players that got disappointed with all past drama are happy with the current state of the game and are staying strong but maybe CCP lost some/a lot/a few players in the process, it' s about consequence of previous actions.
Bruenor Danovan
Xabregas Biochemicals S.A.
#7 - 2011-11-22 11:38:50 UTC
Sounds to me you just got bored of the game. Take a break from it, maybe you'll feel like playing it again later on. Happens more often than not in online games and Eve is no exception. Keep an eye on future expansions and see if there's anything in it that you'd like to give it a spin and in the meantime either grab something else to do/play on your free time or take that time to really focus on your degree.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-22 11:44:14 UTC
1 comment: Can I have your stuff.P

On to my real comment:

There will be always flaws in EVE, I do think CCP is doing a great job with the Winter Expansion. Incarna was a big disaster, I do love the idea of WIS but would like to see that once it's finished not like they did now with the prison cell they call CQ.

I would suggest you try out the winter expansion for a couple of weeks as it will 'fix' a lot of things people have complained about ever since the release of Incarna and the following protests. To be honost besides the the whole CQ-fail expansion and the MT I never had any problems with CCP, they have their flaws, but hey they are building and maintaining the worlds largest sandbox (even larger then the Sahara dessert which is obviously the 2nd largest sandbox). So give them some time to fix any thing. They can't just fix any bug overnight.

On a side note and this counts for all quit-whiners: Why make such a fuzz on the forum about you not being happy and are about to leave EVE, just let your subs run out and move on. Why bother to spam the forums with such unneeded posts.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-22 11:44:22 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
[No need to make my point twice, sorry for double post]

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Adunh Slavy
#10 - 2011-11-22 11:58:36 UTC
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
I anyway, I just wanted to share my view and what happened to me game wise. Sorry about the lousy english but it’s easy to see that’s not my first language. :)


Welcome to being a bitter vet, what you do now is up to you.

As for your English, it is better writ than that composed by many of the native English speakers.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#11 - 2011-11-22 12:34:29 UTC
CCP gambled two commodities they shouldn't have with the release of Incarna ... respect and trust.

They are winning some of that back with Crucible, but many long term players were treated with complete contempt over legitimate concerns they had with Incarna. Look how long it was before CCP gave an answer to the 'gold ammo' question as just one example.

CCP had forgotten that EVE more than most MMO's is heavily reliant on the people that play, they give life and drama to the sandbox.

The long term players have helped CCP forge the game into what it is and supported EVE through the highs and lows. Bitter they may be, but it is a love/hate relationship they have with EVE and CCP made the mistake of completely misreading the depths that their passion for the game goes and what they were willing to fight for any way they could.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Amro One
One.
#12 - 2011-11-22 13:19:29 UTC
CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF
Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
#13 - 2011-11-22 13:28:13 UTC
Amro One wrote:
CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF


Yes!

I´m not quiting, i will wait till the degree is over and then with more time available i will see if the spark is back :) As some of you said, this winter expansion might be the breaking point to move into the right direction. And i just wanted to see other people opinion, and Azahni Vah'nos shared exactly what i think, great post and great insight.

I´m not that old player but i´m still from the time where the forum was a place to exchange points of view and opinions, i really not tried to cry out loud or "last post i´m quiting", i´m sorry if it seemed so.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-22 13:28:26 UTC
Amro One wrote:
CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF


sorry, I was first so I should get it. Will happy split it 60/40 with you though

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-22 13:31:05 UTC
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
Amro One wrote:
CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF


Yes!

I´m not quiting, i will wait till the degree is over and then with more time available i will see if the spark is back :) As some of you said, this winter expansion might be the breaking point to move into the right direction. And i just wanted to see other people opinion, and Azahni Vah'nos shared exactly what i think, great post and great insight.

I´m not that old player but i´m still from the time where the forum was a place to exchange points of view and opinions, i really not tried to cry out loud or "last post i´m quiting", i´m sorry if it seemed so.


Aah allright, that's the spirit.

Forums are indeed a nice place to share any point of view etc but there are also a lot of forum warrior or quit-whiners around so sometimes it's hard to spot the really truefully posters over the casual whiners (that for some reason are still playing).

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-22 13:38:51 UTC
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
I don't feel it's about getting bored of the game, maybe it's disappointment that lead for the lack of interest. Anyway, maybe it's my lack of english that dont let me explain like i want but i not whining about CCP lack of commitment at this moment but the possible consequences that resulted from some months ago.

Probably most of the players that got disappointed with all past drama are happy with the current state of the game and are staying strong but maybe CCP lost some/a lot/a few players in the process, it' s about consequence of previous actions.

problem is: Eve is just a game. This is not your family, wife, husband, children or something from personal life. Eve is just a game. You either play it or not.

Personally i really don't care about CCP. Until they don't broke things i like in Eve i really don't care. They can be quite, they can get a beer to every player, they can send internal emails, etc....

So when some say "i hate Hilmar so i leave Eve" i just take it like you are bored and are searching reasons to leave.

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