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CCP buffed T3s and nerfed T3s, so please buff them again... Thanks

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Billy Hardcore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-12-12 08:13:57 UTC
its a "TECH 3" requires a fair bit of sp and isk to even get into flying. If you spend all that time training to fly them and all that isk to buy one wouldn't you want it to be a ship ppl fear to face?

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Cosmic Scanner
Overload This
#22 - 2013-12-13 04:15:45 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
.........XTRAH edge.........

Hey man you leave Xtrah out of this T3 stuff! I dont wanna see him nerfed or buffed, I like him just the way he is! k? Cry

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-12-13 09:26:13 UTC
Cosmic Scanner wrote:
HerrBert wrote:
.........XTRAH edge.........

Hey man you leave Xtrah out of this T3 stuff! I dont wanna see him nerfed or buffed, I like him just the way he is! k? Cry





ssssshhhh :) i miss him too

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Pobunjenik
Resbroko Liberation Fleet
#24 - 2013-12-15 01:49:36 UTC
The only reason wormhole corps use T3s is because their mass/efficiency ratio is the best around.
There are ships that are better at webbin, jamming, neuting, DPSing - but only the T3s bring respectable ewar combined with decent tank and DPS.
They're fine the way they are.

All I'd like from CCP is to make each and every subsystem actually useful (because ATM most subs are just poo).
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-12-15 04:14:51 UTC
Pobunjenik wrote:
The only reason wormhole corps use T3s is because their mass/efficiency ratio is the best around.
There are ships that are better at webbin, jamming, neuting, DPSing - but only the T3s bring respectable ewar combined with decent tank and DPS.
They're fine the way they are.

All I'd like from CCP is to make each and every subsystem actually useful (because ATM most subs are just poo).



You are bad at haggeling :D... say they are alright and they fix them... say they are op and they definitly fix them....


Scream they are underpowered... they may back off and reconsider for an addon...

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#26 - 2013-12-15 05:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
I like them to keep the tank. Dps could vary, perhaps lowering it but giving them a plus on application. Remove rigs, adjust subsytems to compensate. Dont touch ewar on t3, they are fine.

Basically can do what t2 do, only a little worse with more tank, and more versatility. From jamgu to hamgu to railgu only by swapping mods and subs.


Edit: also, they get more benefits from shiny mods than a T2. This could means that the more isk that you throw at it the more benefits.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#27 - 2013-12-15 07:08:40 UTC
HerrBert wrote:

So I say: Increase EHP and DPS of T3 to increase the demand and by that lower the cost.


No. They already have more EHP and DPS of their T2 counterparts which makes no sense because T2's are "specialized" and T3's are a return to "generalizaiton" (jack of all trades, master of none).

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-12-15 09:38:24 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
HerrBert wrote:

So I say: Increase EHP and DPS of T3 to increase the demand and by that lower the cost.


No. They already have more EHP and DPS of their T2 counterparts which makes no sense because T2's are "specialized" and T3's are a return to "generalizaiton" (jack of all trades, master of none).

CCP's changes to HACs very clearly show they have no interest it T2 specialization in the tank and DPS department.
In ALL non tank/DPS roles, T2 ships are vastly superior than T3s.

If you go and actually make T3s have less tank and dps than a HAC then youre left with an utterly useless ship that doesnt do anything.
take it any way you want but eve is NOT a game where generalization is useful at all. people min max their ship fittings as much as possible to make them as specialized as possible in their role and people who try to get ships to do all the things at get rightfully mocked on killboards.
making T3s into a strictly worse that T2 'generalized' platform is a sure way to make them completely useless.

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Sending Thots And Players
#29 - 2013-12-16 01:16:01 UTC
The prices of T3's these days shows how a pro outfit of one Russian dude holed up in a C6 with 4 computer screens can mass-print nanoribbons like nothing else. There's not much wrong with T3's at 450M a pop, T2 fitted, except the Proteus.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#30 - 2013-12-26 18:14:00 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:

In ALL non tank/DPS roles, T2 ships are vastly superior than T3s.


Good, now they just have to balance the T3's to do less DPS and have smaller tanks than HACs. Or give them big tanks but pathetic DPS by comparison.

T3's should not be HACs 2.0

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QT McWhiskers
MultiPass Inc.
The 5th Seal
#31 - 2013-12-26 18:30:21 UTC
I say we should double the ehp and halve the dps. That way the demand for these in missioning will go up. Because its not pvp where the demand for these comes from. Its those leet l4 mission runners that will make these cost of these babies go down in price.

So I say we should do everything in our power to make these less desirable in pvp, and more desirable in l4 missions.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#32 - 2013-12-26 21:12:25 UTC
With more ehp and dps for T3s what would be then use of battleship hulls. And by battleships i include navy/pirate BS and marauders. I doubt that CCP would like to throw away all the precious ballance for this.

I think taht for 500 mil T3s still have its uses where they excell. Webbing loki, cloaki dps proteus, pve tengu....
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-12-26 21:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Oska Rus wrote:
With more ehp and dps for T3s what would be then use of battleship hulls. And by battleships i include navy/pirate BS and marauders. I doubt that CCP would like to throw away all the precious ballance for this.

I think taht for 500 mil T3s still have its uses where they excell. Webbing loki, cloaki dps proteus, pve tengu....



Here you go have a do-it-yourself kit but only one varity is the really good one? Sounds to me like a brothel with 1 good choice and three you kinda not want.

Take the leadership subsystem. Would you rather have a 500mil Lopsided shiddy booster or a 300m oh sweet new fancy distracting model dual boost galore dps super boat? I m sorry i cant hear you over the sound of my misplaced spaceisk loki skirmish booster.

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