Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Here is the idea in better words than what was here previously.
Corporation owns new corporation capital ships (CCs) that serve as Sov claim unit, moon mining equipment, POS services, and everything else corporations need. Eventually also perhaps strategic weapons (super capitals).
They can not be hidden with log-off or cloak and so someone can attack them 23/7 (maybe a 1 hour reinforced before and after shutdown since people can't be expected to be logged on then). And the corp members must protect the corp capitals 23/7 (or 21/7). This means no more 24/48 hour reinforced timers (still reinforced fex on mobile depot). You would have enough shield on important things to be able to muster forces and go defend it.
Anyone with the skills to fly said corp-equipment would be able to be given permission by the corp officers with the keys. So ideally if you have good recruitment you can fly as much corp equipment as you need (either to move it or to control the guns on them etc).
Only people with said permission can enter them, not enemies or friend without permission.
CCs would be owned by the corp, so you can't sell or steal a CC, they just kick you out of the corp's list of captains and then the computer no longer accepts your input and shows where it is to the corp so they can go get it. Perhaps they can remote jump it one or several jumps towards home if they choose cynos.
We could have several captain ranks, so one captain can only fly a type of CC, or all CCs.

The result of mobile corp assets that you have to protect as a team as an on-going process, is more focus on preparing for war. As this thread points out, Eve is about 17 hours of work every week for many weeks, to prepare for when you spam capitals onto the field. We should then focus on that and add gameplay to that.
CCs would allow us to add more of what we need to mine, manufacture, store, distribute, etc. We could have PVE that happen when the corp takes its PVE-CC out to a place only it can find, and then people follow it and do PVE. We could have CC ore compressors and refineries, we could have ship manufacturing going on where you need it (where you can protect it). You can hide the CCs in complexes and rooms here and there, and safe spots, and some will probably also have huge mountains of CC stuff in one place. And at the same time you would have more to look for in enemy territory, explorers, I'm looking at you.
And we would have the benefit that if the enemy see its going badly, you don't have to grind down all their POSes after you have taken their territory.

To specify the implications of this.

All corp stuff would be replaced by CC counterparts. CC moon harvester, CC ore refiner, CC manufacturing plant, CC ship manufacturing array, CC capital manufacturing array, CC sov claim unit, system upgrade CC, the lot.
And they can all be flown around. When someone does not kick your CC moon harvester no one pilots it, it just mines away. But when someone kicks its shields the officers with that responsibility gets told and tell someone with captains status for CC moon harvester, to go and move it.
Or they tell the captains approved to fly the nearest CC dreads to drop on whoever is kicking their CC moon harvester.
Ideally no CC would have reinforced timer, but just enough shield/armor to last so long people are able to jump into the nearest CC and head over to the CC being attacked (or even show up in PC since you can jump to marked locations, then you light a cyno for your CCs).
As a corp you then make sure you have lots of CC pilots with the necessary skills (and don't fit your CC's too skill-heavy for most of your pilots to fly), and have enough of them from each time-zone, and have enough training for your pilots (so they know what to do and how to do it). And have enough pilots, and enough CCs, to respond quickly enough to defend all your industry CCs. Otherwise you have over-stretched your industry compared to your military.

There would also be PC versions of moon miners and refineries etc, but they would be significantly smaller and would e-warp off if you logged off in them. All PCs would be able to dock, while no CC would be able to dock. Some CCs would allow PCs and subcaps to be docked in them.

holy **** no.

If you have to end your post with a plea to not respond for a few days, then you've got a problem. And the problem isn't with the people who don't like the idea, its with the idea itself. My knee jerk reaction doesn't mean I haven't thought it through, it means there are so many problems with your proposal that I don't even feel obligated to start enumerating them.

Ummm no I carebeared for a decent amount of time for my caps.

You can't have them, my corp can't have them. The funny part is that many null corps already have corp owned capital caches....whoever is in charge of the cache hands them out at will....and you hand them back after the op.

Already in game, though i stopped reading after the second Paragraph.
Just put caps in Corporation Hangar, using different sections for each type of Capital. Insure Thema in behalf oft Corporation, then create Corp titles for the Pilots allowing Them to acces the ones they are meant to.

If your cap Pilots are not trustworthy. Dont do it.

Answer this question:

Do you own/have you ever owned a cap?



If the answer to that is no, then stop suggesting things to do with caps until you have one and have used it in combat.

Translation: No, I don't own a capital ship.

Actually we are asking that you at least have an elementary understanding of the things you are trying to change, which you clearly do not.

Just. Stop. Posting. I'm honestly afraid to tell you why your idea is bad because you'll go post another gods damned thread trying to get all capitals classified as vegetables or something all so you can have an excuse to make it impossible to dock capitals in stations because "it sounded cool in my head".

I'm 27 and this proposal is what you would call a "non-starter." Further discussion is pointless.

Look, people complain about having to spend plex on training sitters and all sorts of things that this would solve. Saying it solves nothing because its not like things are now is just asinine.
This is one idea for removing that piece of game-design that people have gotten used to, and separate the ship class into one that is practical for players to use and another that is practical for corps to use.

I guess you all think the same way, since you can not or will not re-imagine how things could be. How things are now be damned.
This idea would work. It would not work like things are now, that's the idea.
Sov would be done by landing your CC fleet (with lots of PC's probably also) with CC sov units and then either the other guy engages you, or moves their CC sov unit and other stuff out. Borders would naturally be drawn and redrawn according to the strength of each corp in todays 23 hours compared to yesterdays 23 hours.
If you can't see how this would have good parts then you aren't making any effort.

Woooow... "consensus". I suppose that means the majority is always right then :P Because that is what you imply with the argument "we are right because there are more of us" (paraphrased). Though that sounds like what the rules are in Null: The rules are what we say they are because there are more of us.
I like that about eve, but its not strictly a rational argument.

So argumentum ad hominem (argument against the person), argumentum ad populum (argument from majority), argumentum ad verecundiam (argument from authority), what is next, argumentum ad because-I-said-so?