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Rin Valador
Professional Amateurs
#21 - 2013-12-12 13:48:15 UTC
Ha

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10
Notorious Fellon
#22 - 2013-12-12 14:11:51 UTC
I typed out 4 different responses. Each one would have got me a mean PM from a moderator. So you get this one instead.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
The Intermediary
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-12-12 16:28:36 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I jump in, and look around. Just one unfriendly in local. I don't see anything in space, so he's probably just docked. I head to an Amarr Small Outpost that is already open, and get to business capturing it. I carefully check d-scan, and the hostile isn't around. A couple of minutes in, though... AN ASTERO POPS UP OUT OF NOWHERE, points me, and bam, i'm dead. Then, in local:

"lol gf, i was afk :D"

CCP, this has gone too far. REMOVE AFK CLOAKING NOW! As time goes on it encroaches more and more on a multitude of forms of legitimate game play. Cloaks are absolutely overpowered and there is no counter. So... eoither nerf cloaks or ADD A COUNTER. One of those nifty deployable mods you're having fun coding, like a cyno jammer but a cloak jammer.

Is it really that hard to reward AFK play more than legitimate at-the-keyboard play, and enable people who mostly don't even play the game to reap rewards at no risk? Come on.

IMO your beef isn't as much with the AFK cloakers, as it is with the returning decloakers. If we think about this logically then anyone that's cloaked, AFK or both shouldn't be able to do you any harm*. Unless of course psychological, but that's what the tinfoil hats are for.

Remember, you're not paranoid if they're out to get you. And they are, always, everywhere, so you can expect to lose your stuff. The only safe way to play EVE is to stay docked and spin your ship.

If you still think there's a problem here and you have a an idea that can solve it...
» Features & Ideas Discussion

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* There are of course the edge cases of drones being deployed by miners or the like, that then go AFK, but if those pose a threat to you... You're doing it wrong.
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Negative Feedback
#24 - 2013-12-12 17:39:36 UTC
He wasn't AFK when he killed you; he was AFK before that, when he did absolutely nothing to you while he was AFK.

AFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFKAFK
Paranoid Loyd
#25 - 2013-12-12 17:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
I'm a little confused, you're not usually a shiptoaster, yet you toasted this ship. Also, I do not see the kill on your board.

5/10 For getting people to respond with such animosity.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#26 - 2013-12-12 17:57:05 UTC
Whether this is a troll, or a serious post, I am very disappointed in you, Petrus.

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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-12-12 18:10:23 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
ignore all the trolls, they talk nonsense. the fact is this debate has been going on for ages, and what has CCP done? nothing, nothing at all. So there is your answer.

Cloaks should be probable by special probes and skills (like star trek). The more you stay cloaked the more of a aura you omit making it easier to scan.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#28 - 2013-12-12 18:13:27 UTC
OP stepped on the EVE equivalent of a landmine.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#29 - 2013-12-12 18:17:57 UTC
I don't the OP or his opponent know what AFK actually means.

If he were AFK, how in the world did he uncloak and shoot you?

Mr Epeen Cool
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-12-12 18:19:25 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't the OP or his opponent know what AFK actually means.

If he were AFK, how in the world did he uncloak and shoot you?

Mr Epeen Cool


he WAS afk

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Mrs Epeen
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-12-12 18:24:49 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't the OP or his opponent know what AFK actually means.

If he were AFK, how in the world did he uncloak and shoot you?

Mr Epeen Cool

You just saved two seconds by not typing, "think"...

Congratulations, dumbass!
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-12-12 18:37:14 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I jump in, and look around. Just one unfriendly in local. I don't see anything in space, so he's probably just docked. I head to an Amarr Small Outpost that is already open, and get to business capturing it. I carefully check d-scan, and the hostile isn't around. A couple of minutes in, though... AN ASTERO POPS UP OUT OF NOWHERE, points me, and bam, i'm dead. Then, in local:

"lol gf, i was afk :D"

CCP, this has gone too far. REMOVE AFK CLOAKING NOW! As time goes on it encroaches more and more on a multitude of forms of legitimate game play. Cloaks are absolutely overpowered and there is no counter. So... eoither nerf cloaks or ADD A COUNTER. One of those nifty deployable mods you're having fun coding, like a cyno jammer but a cloak jammer.

Is it really that hard to reward AFK play more than legitimate at-the-keyboard play, and enable people who mostly don't even play the game to reap rewards at no risk? Come on.


How exactly would this scenario have turned out differently if the pilot of the Astero had not been AFK? What if he had been at the keyboard, cloaked, and just waiting for a target to come into the outpost? The outcome would have been the same, so being AFK has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Unless of course, you were actually the one who was AFK. As others have pointed out , there is a targetting delay after the Astero decloaks; a period of time in which you should have seen him and been able to act (either by running or attacking) before he could respond. So either you were not paying attention (which is neither the fault of your opponent nor the cloaking mechanic), or you were orbiting the button AFK, and came back to find your ship popped (also not the fault of opponent/cloaking).

So let's try again; who or what are you claiming is responsible for this loss? If your answer is anything other than yourself, you have failed.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#33 - 2013-12-12 19:22:09 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I'm a little confused, you're not usually a shiptoaster, yet you toasted this ship. Also, I do not see the kill on your board.

5/10 For getting people to respond with such animosity.

I did sort of flub the landing on taking the classic shiptoast of nullsec AFK cloakers and bringing it into FW. Oh well. At least it gave people something to talk about. Cloaks are actually part of what I deem to be a problem in FW (farmer cloak+WCS epidemic), but that's completely off topic. Oh, and fun fact: I am not in FW.

Kirren D'marr wrote:
So let's try again; who or what are you claiming is responsible for this loss? If your answer is anything other than yourself, you have failed.


I blame the goons.

grr.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-12-12 22:37:14 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
So let's try again; who or what are you claiming is responsible for this loss? If your answer is anything other than yourself, you have failed.


I blame the goons.

grr.


Ok, I guess I can accept that response.

Blaming "Falcon" might have worked as well; we do have to cover all the usual scapegoats, right? Blink

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#35 - 2013-12-12 22:39:37 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
So let's try again; who or what are you claiming is responsible for this loss? If your answer is anything other than yourself, you have failed.


I blame the goons.

grr.


Ok, I guess I can accept that response.

Blaming "Falcon" might have worked as well; we do have to cover all the usual scapegoats, right? Blink

Goon AFK cloaking Falcons suicide ganking miners while conducting impersonation, scams, and convincing CCP to nerf everything are the cancer that is killing Eve.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Ronny Hugo
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2013-12-12 22:56:08 UTC
I think the cloak and the imminent danger of it makes the game worth it.

And if it wasn't the cloak we complain about, it would be about the dps of ships that killed us today. Chess players speak about the unfair advantage of starting first (having white pieces), but they just live with it.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#37 - 2013-12-13 20:04:49 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Cloaking modules should use fuel, like say heavy water or something. No fuel = no cloak.


Except he wasn't AFK if he pointed so he could have fueled his cloak and OP would still be complaining. People against cloaking are the same as the anti ECM crowd, they offer "solutions" which are really just increments to their real goal...total removal from the game of cloaks/ECM/whatever bothers them.


That's fair enough. I have nothing against the guy who is patient enough to sit cloaked and observe a system all day long. It's the guy who logs in right after downtime and leaves for work that I have trouble with. You know, the guy affecting EvE gameplay while he is not actually playing the game. That's the guy I want to stop.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#38 - 2013-12-13 20:06:19 UTC
This nerf cloaky thread is wearing a speedo while punching me in the face. Subtle.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#39 - 2013-12-13 20:09:09 UTC
Mrs Epeen wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't the OP or his opponent know what AFK actually means.

If he were AFK, how in the world did he uncloak and shoot you?

Mr Epeen Cool

You just saved two seconds by not typing, "think"...

Congratulations, dumbass!


LOL

I saw that coming.

The Mrs Epeen took me by surprise, though. Well played.

Mr Epeen Cool
Caelestina
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2013-12-13 20:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Caelestina
Lol.

This is like whining about stealth in WoW or whatever other MMO.

Get over it.
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