Out of Pod Experience

When I first joined EVE, my impression of the Amarr religion thing was, "This reminds me of the kind of thing I've heard young Euro guys say: 'Religion is for ignorant superstitious sheep. It's an huge annoyance, somewhat dangerous, and more or less the enemy of intelligent rational thinking." I still kind of more or less think that's the idea behind the Amarr.

As for the lore itself, after reading quite a few discussions in the EVE Fiction thread, I don't think the Amarr religion is based on the Christian church exactly. It seems like it borrows elements from all of the monotheist religions that came out of the Middle East. Not the doctrines per se. But the history of the various churches' institutions, and the wording of scriptures in verse. The main thing is it's rigid, authoritarian, and fundamentalist, the way any of the three religions have been at some point in their histories.

I would like to point out that the skill plateau you're looking for is there.

It's in the fact every skill in the game tops out at level 5.

Also what should be noted is that SP =/= capability. One of the highest SP characters in the game has all of his skills into science, industry, and trading. He can barely fly a cruiser let alone a battleship yet he has more SP than 99% of us.

The new player friendly alliances you're looking for are CVA and EVE University. To my knowledge CVA is still kickin in the providence region of nullsec for all players to enjoy living in. They run themselves like a player-owned CONCORD for the region.

As for the slavery discussion I have come to realize that their reasons for doing so are more spiritual. Yes there is certainly the corrupt within the Amarr that use it as a means of subjugation and love beating their slaves and treating them worse then dogs. But I have come to realize that the harvest they do by hand is purposeful for humility. Even the Amarr themselves do it, they don't just send the slaves out there alone for the sake of the profit.

I suggest reading all 3 of the books that they have as part of the EVE lore.

But yes, gang wars/fights pretty well describes how the players interact on a large scale. There is no reason to do otherwise really. The honest ones inevitably get beat up by the larger guys. The only reason why CVA stays around is cause many consider the Providence region to be relatively worthless.

But yeah, you really do suck at socializing. Antagonizing the community really isn't the best way to make friends and the forums have a particular concentration of people that are of the type to call you out on these things. Perhaps visit the New Player Q&A area once in a while. We're pretty much all hugs and rainbows up there.

Maybe take a break from EVE, read a pile of the lore that you have access to with or without an active account, and then jump back in if you find the need to be part of something greater than yourself still compels you to do so.

Also, newbs certainly can be effective in combat at an early age, assuming they have a good FC that has taught them well on the ways of combat mechanics and tactics. At first you'll be just a paper ship with a tackle fit. You'll die often but still be marked as being on the kills. AS you get better skills and your find your niche you can start getting more into a DPS role where you'll contribute more...or better yet, you could go for a ewar or logi route.

Specially since they added the T1 logi in retribution you can start trying this out as a young age instead of having to spend a year getting the T2 logi skills up and getting the logi skill itself to 5. How an inquisitor with a few weeks training can be pretty damn effective for a small frigate group.

Well played Samael you seem to have reached the rank of Forum Trolling rank IV. And if you weren't trolling I truely do feel sorry for you as it seems you are not able to accept others (and games, etc) if they do not fit your belief. But just in case your not trolling read on.

It is better to approach things with an open mind and just try to enjoy life. Yes it has slavery and a whole bunch of other stuff. But so does just about every civilization known to man. The world isn't nice, neither is Eve.



Friendly suggestion, get out of that mindset. A lot of people I know who are in the medical field are atheist and will treat every patient like family and while they are under they care they act that way and will go above and beyond what is just required to do for their job.

Another food for thought, I know a LOT of atheists who follow their own moral code and by doing so actually follow what the Bible or various other religions set out to try to teach their followers. But on the other hand I know an equal amount of very religious people who preach their religion day in and day out but have little morals and won't do what they preach.

Correction: there's no reasonable reason to believe advanced technological societies would ever consider slavery for the purpose of work efficiency. Amarr doesn't enslave to get the work done, they enslave out of a belief that everyone belongs in a certain place in society, and they purposely give up efficiency to put everyone where they 'belong'. It is a core Amarrian belief that every race is worthy of redemption, but the most wayward of them must work hard for it. The Matari are forced to work harsh and unnecessary labor by the Amarrians because it is the Matari who fight back the hardest against their treatment.

And the reason they don't run to the Caldari is because they would go from hard-working, beaten, and well-fed to poor and spat upon. It's a lot easier to either organize resistance groups or just give in and start worshipping the Goddess. This is why there are Minmatar and Ammatar.

As an atheist, I find it insulting that you would compare my morality with one of the most violent, contradictive, and subjugating religions in the history of our species.

In the immortal words of Bill Murray (movie; Stripes,) "... lighten up Francis."

shamless plug there, auger.

Uh, yes? I lost my shame years ago.

Holy necro, batman!


You're a bit late to the party, aren't you?

There's more to the system of slavery in Amarr than labor. That's one of the major issues with them.

The point of Amarrian slavery is that when you have a "system" of exploitation or some other horrid scheme, people get used to it. For example, we see today how bad slavery is but wonder how people could have tolerated it then and now John Brown and his armed abolitionist insurrection is viewed as a heroic endeavor. But notice how abortion has the same debate but anybody who bombs a clinic is the devil incarnate now just as John Brown was viewed back then.


Why is one bad and the other good? And by the same people who say the other is bad? They lack an understanding of "systems" and see the action as naked without it, thinking "how could this be" and failing too see how casually low and without awareness the human race could go.

And sometimes, an attack on "a system" is viewed as the most evil thing to do, even if the system is wrong, but never in retrospect.
(I take a suspicious view of people who defend systems without being consistent personally with the agenda of the system - we refer to such people as "tools").

That's "the system" and if you want to understand the system, you have to understand what people get used to, and this was a very large point of Gerry Spence's book "Give Me Liberty" where he explores how the people who wrote the Bill of Rights could also be slave owners.


So understand that, and you understand the Amarr and how the people who invented faster than light travel can still have slaves.

Now when it comes to the empires and their technology, CCP did their homework. Note how the tracking systems are? Ladar, Magnetometric, radar, etc? The ships are designed around this. Someone sat down and wondered how the reflectors and transmitters for such systems would look. So when it comes to the societies, their technologies, and how they act, they did their homework and the Amarr and their slavery is no accident.