EVE General Discussion

My guess is he's been mining in systems with ice belts around Rens. Goons have been killing miners in these systems for quite a while now protecting their interests.

Mining does not make much ISK if you are really a solo player with one maybe two accounts then those losses are not sustainable, he has the sense of going backwards, which is not fun for him, so tha is why he is giving up, can I blame him, no, hell he stuck at it for a bit, so I will give him some credit for that. There are ways to minimise the risk, most notably moving to a quieter location, but sometimes people decide to hang tough hoping it will blow over, which looks like what he did, but it did not.

The last Mackinaw was properly fit, yet as it was an 0.5 system two destroyers were able to take him down and people moan about mining ships being tanked too much, LMAO at that. He should get in a Skiff and try that, however if enough come at you that will die too.

OP I wish you well, sorry that you are calling it a day, I wish I could have talked to you before that decision, because I could have given you a lot of pointers on how to operate, but I would expect that the character is already biomassed, pity. My fun from this game is making it difficult for people like them, due to the way I operate I have had two gank attempts on me only, the first was an Industrial which I tanked to the maximum I could, it survived, barely, the second was warping into an ice belt at 0 next to 5 Mackinaws and a smart bmbing BS arrived at that exact moment, needless to say the Mackinaws died, the BS was blown up by Concord and my Skiff was sitting pretty.

If you mine use a Skiff or a Procurer, you will have a reduction in yield but you will not be easy to kill, if you do decide not to biomass do that please and also find a better area and keep an eye on things, do not hang tough in mining ships, go somewhere else or do something else. This game is nasty, simple as, but the challenge is to keep going foward even while surrounded by these types!

EvE can be harsh. That is why I love it.

I've been in game a very long time now (2005), and I have never been ganked in h-sec while mining or doing anything else. It is all about technique and strategy.

From my recollection, hi sec ganking and bumping became popular as a tool against macro mining and sweat shop mining (to get ISK to sell for real money). And to defend resources/star systems from non-authorized miners (vacuum macroers and sweat shoppers). Those are the reasons why I started doing it. Of course, other organizations took it to a whole new level.

I'm glad ganking and bumping techniques are still around because it helps to keep the macro mining and sweat shop numbers down in addition to everything CCP does on their side.

I have a Rohk battleship named Moby D.i.c.k for bumping, equipped with 8 smart bombs for ganking. I've only had to death blossom once and took out 4 barges and pods. That is only for extreme measures because then I end up out in n-space to recover sec stat.

It is sad anytime a pilot leaves the game, but you can't make everyone happy. I wish you the best OP.

As a rule of thumb: start out any fit with a T2 damage control and only remove it for a very good reason, a few percent more mining yield is NOT a good reason.

As a ganker I hate barges and exhumers with damage controls as it gives a LOT of extra EHP and will force me to use a more expensive ganking ship, or have to dual gank. The bottom line: it makes you a lot less attractive as a target. Of course if your only tank is that one damage control you're still going to die in a horrible ball of fire.

But let me break it down for all the whiners when it comes to mining ships:

If you want highest yield, go Hulk. Easiest to gank of all exhumers though, following the risk vs reward philosophy of CCP.

If you want convenience and high afk-ability, Mackinaw. A well tanked Mackinaw can tank 3 t2 cata's in 0.5 space.

If you want survivability, go Skiff. Gankers hardly ever bother with them as even completely **** fitted they still require multiple catalysts. If you brick tank it you can tank 10+ cata's in those things. Even if you completely yield fit it and only drop tanking modules in the mids, it will still outtank all the other exhumers and require 5+ catalysts.

CCP specificaly redesigned the barges and exhumers that way. That the large majority of hi sec miners chooses to fly a mackinaw that has just sufficient tank for the belt rats and can be popped by 2 t1 catalysts is just that: a CHOICE.

All this is still without even bringing up ECM drones....

I doubt there are many players that are financially crippled by buying a 200m something ship. If you are however, you should indeed go procurer. It's the cheapest of all mining barges and can fit a tank just under that of what a Skiff can.

Cause it is better at just about everything I can think of, more tank, more yield, more orehold, faster, more slots, more cpu/powergrid, bigger drone bay.

If you can easily afford it I really see no reason why you should NOT get it. The risk of losing it is almost zero as long as you stay in hi sec and don't engage in PVP with it.

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose equates to 'being able to afford it' in my book.

But the entire point of getting a skiff or procurer is that the chance of losing one is near zero if you properly tank it. I'd say the Skiff is probably one of the safest if not THE safest ship in the game if tanked well and piloted like a rational human being in hi sec. I'

In time you easily earn back your investment and everything beyond that is pure profit compared to a procurer.

This came to mind.

Ah, but that takes effort.

You can't expect people to make an effort these days. They've already paid their sub and with it for the right to play their game. That's more than enough really.

As soon as you pay your sub you have the right to play your game, as does everybody else who paid it, and for some that game involves blowing up everything they can.