EVE General Discussion

I was reading a thread the other day about the topic of griefing within EVE. Several people made the claim that CCP's mechanics specifically support griefing. Others defended it by claiming the mechanics simply allow for freedom, and CCP isn't going to restrict that freedom to stop a few griefers.

I've thought of a possible solution that I believe would reduce the amount of griefing we see: Ban the posting of all in-game communications as a means to deter griefing . Only with express permission from those involved can the communications be posted.

The main motivation for most of these griefers is to illicit a reaction from the player being griefed and post it online for others to see. They want to show-off on their websites or blogs. Most importantly, they want to impress other players and look very "space cool". Many griefers might disagree with me on that, but it's mostly due to their own shame. It's plainly obvious that this is the primary motivation behind griefing in EVE and denial of such is a simple delusion.

By removing their ability to share their communications in a public domain, we effectively remove their main motivation in griefing to begin with. We will of course still see griefers around, but the collective community will watch it's numbers wane.

This means if you post a non-griefing video, say a fleet fight, you will need to blur out the communications channels. If not, you will need express permission as stated above. While this is not ideal, it's more ideal than the amount of griefing we see on these troll websites/blogs.

right, how about we forbid any character with less than a preset amount of skillpoints from posting on the forums.

because seriously, if your gonna drop a big stinky of a thread in the middle of the forum where everybody has to look at it, at least own up to it.

Griefing in eve is a bannable offense.

You assume that griefing is something bad and shouldn't be done in Eve online. There are (many) people who disagree with you on this point. Therefore we don't need anything to "block" griefing.

And remember that the more dark a room is, the more a candle shines. Griefers are the darkness around your e-bushido-playstyle.

So you want CCP to acquire the power to prevent people creating their own material in an out of game environment. That could take some work.

See Post #5

Funny, isn't it.

Only CCP's definition of griefing is very strict.

So no, just because someone ganked your hauler and stole your stuff after he bumped you off gate for 30 minutes before his gang arrived doesn't mean you have been grieved.

Not even miner bumping is considered grieving, no matter what some other people say.

Extortion, piracy, theft and blackmail is not considered griefing.

So CCP should now change the EULA because you can't control yourself in the local chat?

James315 posted a GM response to his website. They asked him to remove it and threatened to ban him if he didn't.
Thus any claim that CCP cannot act against content on a 3rd party website, due to inability to directly link the poster with the in-game user, is simply false. If they were willing to "make that leap" for their own GM, they should make that leap for their own paying customers too.

In terms of content already posted before such a ruling took affect: Anything that can be proven to have been posted before such date as the new rules are enacted should be allowed to remain. Anything that cannot be proven to have been posted before that date, or is proven to be posted after, should be requested to be removed. If a reasonable connection can be made between the poster and an in-game user, a warning and then ban should be given to the user if he does not comply.

It's CCP policy not to discuss or divulge GM petition details, legally, they can't prevent you from posting the details, but as it is against their EULA (probably), they can ban you for it. Legally, I don't think CCP would have any right to prevent players from discussing private interactions with non-CCP staff. They might be able to ban players for doing that if they changed the EULA, but I think that would be incredibly stupid.

You don't really understand the term 'sandbox' do you... or griefing' for that matter. Or how the internet works.

Posting in a stealth "I got in trouble for cussing" thread.