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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#41 - 2013-12-12 05:02:42 UTC
Kryptik Kai wrote:
between the various art teams, design teams, animation teams, coders, engineers, etc..., 15 people is usually a fairly small portion of an MMO dev team.

It sucks for the people that lost their jobs, but its hardly the end of the world (of darkness)


It sounds like they had 60 left working on WoD. So yeah, 25% of the staff is indeed a big deal.

Bottom line, shamelessly stealing from the great Douglas Adams, going forward with WoD "has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#42 - 2013-12-12 05:14:25 UTC
I wish the laid off people the best of luck.

Damn site much better to layoff after Christmas than before. Coal in CCP's management's stocking this year. Bet their salaries look just fine and their kids don't have to see their presents walk back to the place they came from.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-12-12 05:33:45 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

You mean like their complete inability to come up with any fix for lag, other than lag for everyone?


Get out

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-12-12 05:47:40 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
I wish the laid off people the best of luck.

Damn site much better to layoff after Christmas than before. Coal in CCP's management's stocking this year. Bet their salaries look just fine and their kids don't have to see their presents walk back to the place they came from.


The guy who announced the layoff probably was told it was to be done before end of year. You think it would be better to layoff people on the 27 or something?
Skill Training Online
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-12-12 06:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Skill Training Online
Lets break this down:

1) The WoD client is based on developing technologies, specifically full scene tessellation.
2) That Technology doesn't yet exist in consumer graphics cards
3) We are still sucking the Global Economic Crisis
4) Intel has elected to continue their nearly decade old hiring freeze and not release much in the way of new technology.
5) Evidenced by the i7 Chip which was introduced nearly a decade ago, and is still the best consumer processor on the market.

Leading to the conclusion:

Technology isn't developing at the pace expected due to reasons far beyond the control of CCP.



On the Global Economic Crisis:

1) America didn't become vastly more powerful during the Global Recession
2) With the same total resources we are now doing more with our social programs (healthcare guys!)
3) We are not going to abandon our healthcare restructuring, (Sorry Ted Cruz)
4) America is not in a position to spend our way out of the crisis, we have bills to pay, and Healthcare costs money!
5) We are not going to sacrifice healthcare, this is our thing now, go away.

Leading to the Conclusion:

America isn't going to fix the Global Economic Crisis, look elsewhere!

Thank You Obama!
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-12-12 07:45:53 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
So when is WoD going to finally be shuttered, and efforts redirected to EVE, Dust 514 and Valkyrie?

Efforts will be redirected to DUSt, and Valkyrie, and mroe spinoffs. as i believe soundwave stated, its more profitable to cut up "EVE" into more games and market them separately, because apparently payign 15 bucka a month toa ccess "all" of a game's features is ridiculous (there WAS a forum post one dev made that if it had happened a year later or so, PI would have been made a minigame outside of EVE, like DUST, instead of being in the EVE client)
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#47 - 2013-12-12 07:50:30 UTC
Vaporware is vaporware, more news at 11



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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-12-12 08:01:50 UTC
Thats a shame tbh at this time of year. Nobody wants to get the push especially 2 weeks before Christmas.

Good luck to those who have been given the chop

Perhaps CCP should take atleast a couple of them and replace some they hired in Iceland.

Not giving any names "cough" mintchip "cough cough cough" EA Bloke

oops sry about that Blink

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
Jasmin Natinde
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-12-12 08:19:03 UTC
Sorry people still holding hope for WoD but it's pretty clear that CCP killed off the video game side of White Wolf today and WoD with it. They kept those people they could use on other projects but anyone who was a producer or a designer for WoD was likely removed. They will never say it openly it's over but CCP never says that.

Frankly a reasonable development time for any game project is 2-3 years at most till closed beta. If you have nothing playable in 6 years you're lucky you held a job for so long, i can't believe the layoffs came as a surprise to anyone there.
The Dust team, even if the game didn't meet success at least delivered on time and showed they can work on deadlines, so i don't think they're under the same threat as the WoD team.

Valkyrie is set to be released after 1 year of development and even that looks like it's going to already have competition.
Ixidor Zorander
Coffee Club of Cautelous Chaps
#50 - 2013-12-12 12:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ixidor Zorander
[quote=Skill Training Online]Lets break this down:

Only glanced through most posts including yours but something caught my attention, "5) Evidenced by the i7 Chip which was introduced nearly a decade ago, and is still the best consumer processor on the market. "
You realize that i7 is more a name than a specific chip? They are in 4th generation right now the original socket for i7 was 1366 iirc. Although they are still CALLED i7's they are VERY different from what was released several years ago, just pointing that out.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-12-12 12:01:16 UTC
Quote:
...strategic adjustments to the staffing on the team ...


That kind of statement always sounds like: We nuked two cities. It was a stretegic decision. God bless...

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#52 - 2013-12-12 12:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Davon Mandra'thin
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

It's like people aren't aware of what rumors are and how they get started.


Don't get me wrong, a lot of rumour mongering will occur... but CCP don't officially confirm "rumours" because then they're not rumours.

Ned Coker - Senior PR Specialist at CCP wrote:
CCP today made strategic adjustments to the staffing on the team working on the World of Darkness project in Atlanta that resulted in the elimination of approximately 15 positions at the company. The change was due to our evaluation of the game’s design and ongoing development needs. While this was a difficult decision, CCP remains committed to the franchise and our promise to make a compelling, rich, and deep World of Darkness experience.


Statement above made directly to Eurogamer, literally today. My sympathies go out to those who lost their jobs.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2013-12-12 12:16:20 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:

America isn't going to fix the Global Economic Crisis, look elsewhere!


When did the US ever fix something that they themselves caused?

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mama guru
Yazatas.
#54 - 2013-12-12 12:27:24 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
America isn't going to fix the Global Economic Crisis, look elsewhere!


When has this ever not been the case?



Problems are simpler than you make it out to be: CCP are not large enough and can't really develop multiple large scale projects simultaneously.


Dust 514 and WOD won't both live past the next 5 years unless they get really lucky. Dust might survive if it gets a PC port but WoD still needs to establish itself and come along with a good concept/execution to boot.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Josef Djugashvilis
#55 - 2013-12-12 12:34:06 UTC
I do not wish to see anybody lose their job, at any time, but I did read somewhere that the whole Vampire thing was now out of fashion.

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Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#56 - 2013-12-12 12:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Davon Mandra'thin
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I do not wish to see anybody lose their job, at any time, but I did read somewhere that the whole Vampire thing was now out of fashion.


It wasn't in fashion when CCP started developing it. World of Darkness is a huge franchise, based off a pen and paper game much in the same way that Dungeons and Dragons games are. In fact, if you had to ask people for two Pen and Paper franchises off the top of their head it would be "Dungeons and Dragons" and "World of Darkness", probably in that order... Fall out may make it in between those two.. not sure.

Edit: Checked on Wiki. White Wolf and the WoD franchise are said to hold the second largest market share after Dungeon's and Dragons.

Unless they screw up pretty badly WoD will do well. Assuming of course it is ever released (currently scheduled for 2015).
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-12-12 12:55:39 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I do not wish to see anybody lose their job, at any time, but I did read somewhere that the whole Vampire thing was now out of fashion.



this.

spacesim's are THE thing now!
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#58 - 2013-12-12 12:57:43 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So a senior PR acknowledged, 15 devs have been laid off from the Atlanta office, right before Christmas.

Looks like when Reykjavik sneezes, Atlanta gets decimated... What?


Kinda fits really with Eyjafjallajokull. That Volcano sneezes and air travel gets decimated :)

Quote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I do not wish to see anybody lose their job, at any time, but I did read somewhere that the whole Vampire thing was now out of fashion.


There is FAR more to the World of Darkness than just Vampires. It is like saying the whole Star Wars franchise is just about Ewoks.

What I would like to know is what projects had those devs been working on. I am not after corporate secrets here, just if they were EvE devs, WoD, Dust, Website and support etc.

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.
Solkara Starlock
Circle of Mystery
#59 - 2013-12-12 13:01:02 UTC
First, my sympathies to those people who lost their job.

WoD has a nice playerbase and, thanks to series like true blood, vampires are hotter than they were 10 years ago. (in more ways than one). By my knowledge there is no big gothic themed MMO out there. So if they do it right; it will do well.

From an economic standpoint, they should increase the work on WoD. It will make them money in the end.

Of the other side projects, I fail to see how DUST is ever going to be economicaly feasable. It takes a lot of devs, there are only 4000 players, it is a mediocre FPS in world full of better FPS on a outdated console. THat is a moneysink.

EVE Valkyrie is different. Here you are at the technological forefront. The tech will only get better, the playerbase will increase for several years and and there are no comparable games. You can set your own standaards and work from there, leaving competitors at a disadvantage.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#60 - 2013-12-12 13:49:34 UTC
Christmas bonus at CCP.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.