EVE New Citizens Q&A

I have my Medical Clone at full SP coverage over the minimum amount required and above the amount of learned SP.

However, while jumping with my jump clone, and even without dying, I loose SP.
That gets more and more annoying and acts like a bug.
I have screenshots and can get more screenshots or video that details the occurrences.

I am now learning a Skill level V which requires another skill to be learned at V though it is down to IV due to penalty.

Is there any way I can avoid future Skill Clone Penalties?

I don't think it has to do with my clone not having the skills learned and another clone knowing those skills.


I lost around 8 days in one skills due to this.
It makes using implants useless if Jumping to them will cause more than the benefit gained by the implants.

That's what I thought, thank you.
No problem.
It's not the first time it happened, and it happened on multiple different pod pilot in my case.

I guess I'll just have to keep taking screenshots of the data proving the related SP coverage before each Self-Destruct and Clone Jumping.

Why are you selfdestructing? Are we talking about deathcloning (destroying your pod to jump to your medical clone) or jumpcloning (docking up, leaving ship, pause training and jump from the character menu)?

Pod Jumping and Clone Jumping are not the same thing.

The screenshots (or videos) with data I will have to get are:

1. Before the events or the fact:
- the SP covered by the Cloning facility.

2. Before Pod Jumping or Clone Jumping:
- there is a different interface for Clone Jumping (stop training , etc) than Pod jumping (self-destruct 2 mins sequence).

3. During the fact:
- the Clone jump sequence which switches from station 1 to the target station.
- the Pod jump sequence which shows the result of the clone after the self-destruct.
(this part is tricky as , sometimes the clone keeps it's SP , sometimes it doesn't. This shows as clone being covered back at 900,000, and it is time to upgrade.)

4. After the fact:
- The SP covered from the medical service or clone upgrade payments.
- The Skill list under history, which shows if there are penalties.

There are a few other details, but it then gets more technical.

Damn,

Came here to link my guide after reading the topic....but already saw it was linked.



BTW,

If you did self destruct your pod...are you 500% sure that your medical clone was sufficient.

As self destructing a pod = pod death and you end up with an Alpha clone

Why is it more likely that I don't fully understand the difference between Jump clones and my Medical clone?

Is it because :
1. More people having this problem or condition if it is not a problem, don't fully understand the difference between Jump clones and their Medical clone? (More people than those having a bug that is...)
or
2. Because that if I didn't fully understand the difference between Jump clones and my Medical clone that it has more risk of occuring? (Even if the game mechanics states otherwise...)

Anyways... I will read the link you referred and let you know my prognostic.
Thank you in advance for referring to the relevant or worthwhile information.
(It might save me over 100m in implants losses, implants management costs, and study of potential Cerebral Accelerator booster deal offer.)

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I did both self-destruct and clone jump (although in the reverse order, of course).
When I did self destruct my pod (with the red 2 mins timer, of course), I was 100% sure that my medical clone was sufficient.

My next step will be to take a screenshot of that amount of SP saved.
Then make a video.
Then log out and log back in to make sure that there are no discrepancies.

Furthermore, and this will also require more screenshots,
Self-destructing my pod doesn't always causes me to end up with an Alpha clone.

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I will need the screenshot to ascertain whether Clone Jumping resulted in Jumping into a clone with lesser SP.
If it doesn't , and when it doesn't , the screenshots will also attest that it doesn't.

I will also check the log > game (game log) as these sometimes contain data related to ingame events , their sequence and the times of their occurrences.

If it does result in a penalty, the screenshot will also attest of when, and how.

#2.
I did kill myself from self-destruction to pod-jump to my medical clone and updated my clone after.
The only times that I don't update it, and that I shouldn't update it is when it states that my coverage is still above the amount trained.

#3.
There are other occurrences that are related to this potential bug such as:
- When the skill shown as trained in the change clone location Cloning interface (which blocks other actions when opened btw) is less than the actual amount of SP.
- The amount shown as covered is still greater than the lower amount of SP shown, even though the actual amount is still lesser than the coverage.
And probably a few other instances.

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Other very important details that I do not want to omit:
- The system that I am writing and editing this on does not have screenshots.
- It also does not have a Notepad editor which I very often use to avoid editing deletion of my work.
- The EVE Online forum deleted the content that I had written above while pressing Preview.
- After pressing draft to try to restore the lost work, a partial version shown up, without the top 2 parts.
- I opened a MS-Word instance to paste the above work after luckily pressing Alt- back arrow to retrieve the content. This after choosing 'No' for the replace content with (botched, not batched) saved draft.
- I am receiving pager calls due to an appointment in 20 mins.
- I am too busy to deal with this probably before around 5 hours later on today.
- I have to make phone calls on other more important business for now.

With the number of deaths in EVE, you can be certain that if there is a bug that there will instantly be thousands of people complaining about it, and there will be a server patch and emergency reboot, maybe even a roll-back (extremely rare) or reimbursement.

It is so easy to mess up with your clone, especially in the heat of battle.

Still, if you do think something is a bug, by all means do bug report it.

One thing I don't understand: why are you doing this?

(Assuming that you're not constantly getting marooned in wormholes.)

How could that be? You are not logical.

You stated:
"Upon pod death. Your clone is NEVER sufficient as you will always use up the old one and get an alpha clone back."

That proved to be false since it shows that the Medical Clone is still covered.
I can take more screenshot to prove it or at least record future instances of any discrepancies.

Please realise that the close is covered before the pod-jumping, and not after.
I update the clone after the pod-jumping if it goes back to alpha, which is also not always the case.

You then further state:
"The only time your clone is sufficient after pod death is when you have less then 900.000 SP in your character."

That would also prove to be false since premise A. is false.
My clone had over 3m SP saved and covered by the medical clone station.
It still shows as covered before pod-jumping.


Furthermore, the post I wrote didn't save properly.
It is a good thing that I saved it in Notepad before clicking the Post button.

Also, it does take a long time and the arguing and causing more negativity than solving the matter.

The subject matter is being distorted and the meaning of what I tried to convey changed into what I did not say.

Furthermore, if it is a bug, I will report it myself and won't need anyone trying to interfere with my report or modify it.


As for the last part:
You then state:
"So all in all, it's likely not a bug but just lack of knowledge about how medical clones work from your side ..."

I will make sure that I do include more than knowledge, lack of knowledge, from which ever part it does originate from or is the cause of. That included with the derived understanding or practical application of the said subject matter.

You then further state and continue:
"... and you thought that you still had a clone big enough waiting for you when you died the next time."

I didn't think so. I knew that, understood that, despite your criticism, or disagreement, warfare and the like.
I also had proof of it on my screen, and the display could have been erroneous without it being a bug.

I noted before reading the forums:
Compare with Profile Listing of SP covered.
+ Clone grade.
because:
The medical station also does give a report of the SP covered and amount disbursed.
It also gives a highlight to the next step to be paid to cover a variable amount of SP.

In fact:
I did have a clone big enough waiting for me when I died the next time, although that statement is partly illogical.
That is not why the penalty is a Skill Clone Penatly.

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2013.12.13 00:46

Thanks finally at last, someone who understand.

Let me just say this to the sceptics:
I will not do it for a refund.
I will refuse any such kind of proposed agreement.
I will submit a full technical report of the said mentioned conditions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjecture
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conjecture
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conjecture

"I'm not completely sure what the OP is doing, sounds like he is death cloning to get around. The most likely reasons to do so :"
I use Jump Clone for Strategical reasons, tactical reasons, and also for recognizance reasons.

"* cyno alt that dies alot"
Thanks but I am still trying to find out how cynos work.
When I do, and I will, it will then be possible for me to update information on it.
I find the current info on the matter hard to verify and somewhat general as to what my concerns are.
It doesn't pinpoint what I do in fact need to know and understand before being able to take decisive action at optimum efficiency.
It does also increase the risk of errors.
I understand that I should not be the only one.

"* trade alt and has offices in different systems so he can switch medical and death clone around to avoid the JC timer"
I do have a JC timer to deal with as well.
I do have a trade alt to deal with as well.
However, and even though I cannot mention my trade secrets on this channel either, I have no offices, yet.
Also, by using the terms medical and death clone, I presume you refer to the medical clone.

"but neither of these seem to fit with what he is saying."
Actually, you are pretty close.
Only one person or so in this tread maybe more accurate about what I tried to convey without modifying my terms.
Of course, it is not illegal to modify what I'm saying, or use it as they see fit, nonetheless, it won't decrease my costs.

"Not sure whether the issue is that he doesn't understand tthe difference between a medical clone and a jump clone"
I not only know, understand, test the behavior of that system and subsystem but also plan on reporting on it.

"or there is a bug."
I found at least 2 or 3 or more.
Can you find 3% of them? What do you think would be a good certainty ratio?

"Maybe some screen shots would help"
Yes, it will help and video will help too, as for EVE Wallet Aware and ...
" unless the OP can give some more info "
some technical reports of the related data.
" - like e.g. I don't think he said how many SP his character has"
I didn't say how many SP my character (pod pilot) has or had.
It's over 3m SP to 900k and then upgraded again.