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Hi I just met you and I m crazy, so here is a threadnaught, fix my space maybe? PEOPLE BE UPSET!

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-12-11 20:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Disclaimer: Warning the following Post is a satirical failed attempt at an honest issue. The TLDR is at the bottom marked TLDR! Everything above is the EXPLANATION! Since this is a forum, where most of the discussions are brain farts anyway please don’t degenerate this threat with the classical answers. All I’m trying to do here is that People should be more upset about the current state of wormholes, if they want **** to change, for more quality of gameplay in extend PvP!




Dear CCP, Schrodinger’s cat is dying, slowly...
Along time ago there was a brilliant team of developers that said hey, what if we build a box with a lot of question marks, loose its manual and write “UNKNOWN” on all its covers. And we make it so challenging that people can find booty but not settle in.
Sadly when CCP generated this Box they forgot to take out a key ingredient, its moons. Although I think even without Moons people would have accepted the challenge to live in the box, because the risk vs. reward was well worth it.
Now we “jump” to today, it’s the dawn of the third generation of Wormhole Corps. The C6 Titans of the Pioneer days are mostly dead or joined Noho, left for 0.0 or moved to C5 Space. But what kind of future is lying ahead of wormholes?
Some people are hoping for War, some are hoping to farm till the golden age, some just want to be left alone and some are just kicking over sandcastles.

But the daily routine is rolling, rolling, GANK! Blueballs, Farming. Day in and day out, it made people invent a religion to compensate for the demoralizing daily affords. Like a Junkie, Wormholers are hunting for the next fix, claiming heroic combat when they killed a venture + pod. Back padding solo ganking miners with good fights and derping with snipers and sentries at a 100km to **** with others… in total it’s fun … but its monotonous, yes Rubicon helped a lot but I want to show you now the pros and cons … and in fact get a little bit more extreme to throw some ideas out there that in this case are in my eyes falsely represented.

First off wormholes are not broken, yes they work as intended, and problem is the big letters of unknown are not so unknown unless you talk about the actual wormhole alliance... still a mystery how they survive. AAAANYWAY Wormholes have an artificial “limit” which is co-related to mass but also “social interaction”. During the 2nd Generation of Wormholes with the Uprising of the C5-Corps, the limit only handicapped the payout of farming, but that got fixed by doing expos with a skeleton crew. Pretty simple pretty effective to get you that new moros or loose a couple of caps…

So Income will never be a bottleneck for the Wormholers or at least sharing income, what will be a problem is the current PvP Dilemma where you can get ganked in 0.0 because you stayed too long in there and they finally got 3 times the people to Titan Bridge on your ass.
Which in itself has this rare but funny situation that once 0.0 Pilots jumped to the Wormhole they look at it like cavemen who just discovered fire?

Miss re-presentation: “Uh wormhole, wormhole wobble, uuh wormhole flash.”
The other option is that Wormholers as cute as they are just gank then themselves and most of the times its just ganking. Yes sometimes you have “fights” sometimes it’s even arranged …. But if you be honest the Lust for more is so huge that we come back to the fake religion and honestly blaming bob if the next fix takes again to ******* long. With that you have this constant stream, which is diminishing growth, of new comers that are intrigued by the old tales and vets that just go and play dota or buy a 0.0 coffin because well .. **** it lets burn down ****.

So in terms of development, Corps are at a stop, with no hammertime. Now the boost of the 2nd Gen and 3rd gen Wormhole corps still are corp bookmarks without those, **** would be waaaaay out of control, by that I mean they would be now a desolate place, worse than low sec. And now you have dedicated people that like accountants log in, after DT to get the new sigs and bookmark the new holes. Which is quality gameplay time ruined. But that’s one aspect of why wormholes suck. There is also this misinformed notion of “why do we actually need ALLIANCE bookmarks.”

0.0 has SRP (Ship Replacement Program) some Wormhole corps have TRP which is Theft Replacement Program which are sometimes so intense that they can’t afford a SRP and most losses of hulls get dumped on the Members. I think I’m understating when I say most mediocre wormhole corps have an average of 10b stolen from them during their existence. That’s because of ****** up mechanics that can’t get changed. By implementing alliance bookmarks lots of the corporate pos role problems can be circumvented. But then there is this whole argument about null sec and unbalanced advantages to what I can say, what? Actually besides hardware problems I never saw why that would be a problem.

X in Fleet is as solid as a 5 minute delayed bookmark in alliance… But okay if you don’t want that than do us a favor and make wormholes to anomalies so literally no scanning will be required… and before you all jump on the hatewagoon heading towards stupidville, LISTEN:

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-12-11 20:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
- Fact 1: Rubicon gave us Wormholes with Condoms. If you are too lazy to pay 2m for a Mobile Depot, a probe launcher and probes then you deserve to get stuck. So by that wormholes got even safer and scanning is more of a “bureaucratic” process that strains social interactions within corps and is not fostering any good gameplay or “content creation”.

- Fact 2: Scanning can’t be your daily bread... THAT’S Bullshit!

- Fact 3: The transformation of making Ore Belts Anomalies was and is a blessing in disguise because it kind of acts like methadone for the Junkies to get at least barge kills… at least something.

- Fact 4: With odyssey ccp already robbed us on the subject of being sneaky in the first place… most people assume correctly that the new pop up signature is a new wormhole…. So Run first and check what spawned later…

- Fact 5: Most active systems have sound picks on the hole (People sitting there waiting for the womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm)

- Fact 6: Most people get the new non text notification when the wormhole is wobbling like a belly dancer on a sultans party… and if that puppy is wobbling for 15 sec you know something big is coming if the dscan hasn’t told you yet because the other wormholes is at 22AU THANKS CCP!

Concluding Question: Would you rather have to scan an empty system for 3 Holes and by that ignoring 25 sigs that are not HOLES… or do you like spending 10-15minutes for actually NOTHING, do you feel accomplished when you finished a 15 sig hole and jump into one with 17 sigs?

And for everybody thinking, that will open the flood gates for 0.0. First off, they still need to get beyond the ******* cavemen state and 2nd it’s still a game of mass, so the longer the chain the more wobbly the mass gets to get the entire fleet back and forth and they can get stranded pretty far, yes all chains lead to kspace that also means they can be separated and end up on the other side of null sec. GOOD TIMES getting out of a C3 > Null….

It is not a drastically measure as in fact we have been slowly already creeping towards it … it’s just... let’s bite the bullet now before everybody leaves wormholes. We wouldn’t need Alliance Bookmarks then to be a little safe before the next common thief steals a couple of legions…

Now someone could say: “Okay but Wormholes were never intended to be colonized.” Well, the City of Mexico wasn’t expecting the slum settlements either but apparently now they got to deal with it.

So for everybody who went through the trouble reading this far, thanks now let’s get torches and pitchforks ready because now I’m getting really crazy. Because Wormholes as anomalies is rather harmless to the next bad thing I proclaim. Let’s be honest if we are here to finally take our quality dumb on the space we love let’s do it in style.

Next up to all the C4 Dwellers your space is to unsocial… you need to ease up and get a 2nd static so Class 4 Wormholes connect up and down within wormholes, providing more connections in between clusters and chains. Yes, you may get more Visitors but then again it’s not like you guys can’t post alts at your entrances and see what’s coming. You are already quick on your toes, when it comes to fresh incoming Wormholes. But also would that ease some other tension on c5 / c6 corps. Because most of the C4 Wormholes connecting up are empty, so they get used by younger members to boost their income, without harming the normal home site pve fleet. And young members are the blood of a good corp; they ask questions and are curious. All this is being said with only one thing in mind. If you need large amounts of ISK go to Incursion land, yes it’s a little clusterfuck between the main fleets but **** it, good isk with 0 Risk. If you just want to do PI in the C4, I know C2 corps with more Balls then you … vicious little animals.

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-12-11 20:24:47 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Next up, the actual PVE – Content: Apperently at the conception of Wormholes CCP thought of Unknown, so in total the entire backstory delivered by notifications can be written down on a napkin. And yes if you support it with Lore and some pages from CCP latest Book (Penis One) yes you got some content, but let’s be honest, those 4 types of combat anomalies per class are rather pathetic for a space claiming to be “unknown”. I remember what was actually unknown when the sleepers came into existence. “Wait 1 NPC can Neut, Scram, Web me and does HUGE amounts of DPS?” Oh Lord that scared the **** out of me so much. When I got used to it, I got a strange feeling when I tried out kspace Sites after quite some time (3 years) and was worried if my Tengu could withstand the damage… Oh how I laughed at my worries. So instead of the same old same old, let’s reinvent combat anomalies to Combat Anom 2.0 featuring NPC2.0.

Everybody knows that Sleepers have the better Version of the AI in extend they just throw more stuff towards your direction. So why not make it a ******* IPhone in a Mixer. Why does the new AI system have to apply to the mechanics of the old mission Environment? This is how normal sleeper interaction goes: “Kill Kill Trigger Wave, Kill Kill Trigger Wave… Kill Kill Trigger Wave… Rinse and repeat, also don’t forget to salvage because hey you got to pick up your own ****, you are in big boy space (Thank you for the mobile tractor unit but I stick with the salvage Legion).

Let’s change that, yes you have triggers and you will have waves but you only know that A FRIG not THE FRIG is the Trigger and the Waves don’t have the same types of ships they are mixed and only average out when it comes to inflicted damage. So on a DPS Level the Waves are the same but in terms of E-War they mix up, which is kind of weird to say since sleeper normally just bring the entire range of kinky toys to the party anyway. This sounds “a little” difficult but then again, wormholes weren’t meant to be colonized right? So especially not by solo people that just learned how to fly a Battlecruiser, this is the same team based challenge as in Incursion-Land. And on another note, if you are throwing caps at it you shouldn’t worry anyway. YES I MEAN ALL YOU NUTCASES IN CLASS 4 SPACE WITH FREAKING CHIMERAS.


Okay, where are we: TLDR
- Fixing Corptheft Check
- Fixing Burnout scanners for more PvP Check
- Fixing PvE content to be a more team based afford Check
- Fixing Isk sustainability for new players in Big Alliances/Corps by more “inter connectivity” Check
- Fixing Class 4 Space … only by gentrifying the entire estate

I know at first this seems stupid, but I think the worst Idea I had so far was an “Insurance Paper” that dissolves after 24 hours and can’t be resold, so you can actually insure your dread out here and have more idiots throwing them around, because this is why I love Wormholes, I find like-minded idiots that just want to throw **** at each other, but I do see how the loss of capitals can make a new struggling corp disappear again and that’s sad, because I like to shoot people multiple times.
(I still think a Fleet Commander ordering to buy insurance papers is a fleet well welped)

Wormhole Space is now colonized, welcome to the 2nd decade. Can we now be upset, everybody? As a group, we already lost a lot of qualified people that loved the space but just got frustrated with its actual PVP Payout, so they moved to 0.0 or Low. This is fixable without a new shiny POS Overhaul replacement yaddiyaddi yaaaadi… Also it’s all about getting more people into wormholes because our nodes need to be upgraded from hamster powered to constant **** is on fire show.
Dear CCP Schrodinger’s Cat here, we are dying. Please, open the Box and look at us.

Thanks for holding on for this long and best of luck hunting
Bert

P.s.: Malformed Local conversation
Why are you here?
PvP!
Come to the sun?
No you are going to blob me!

Oh btw every time I used PvP it’s short for Player vs. PoCO

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-12-11 20:52:27 UTC
Did we forget to take our pills today?

You forgot the WH wobble on warp to when the WH is mid massed. That **** HAS to go...

There is no Bob.

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-12-11 20:56:19 UTC
All i m trying to do is make people want to fix their space and not sit there and get side effected by patches ...


DO YOU REMEMBER INFERNO? DO YOU? Wormhole space people are just to used to be good at "improvisation" and taking it up the arse...

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-11 22:22:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Ok, so I actually tried to dig through the ramblings.

First you suggested alliance bookmarks, sure, I guess...
I don't care about this either way but I AM tired of people b*tching about it so if it would shut all the lazy inept alliances up, can't be a bad thing right?

Then you go on to POS security, ok fine but that's really already in the works and will be sorted once personal SMAs are introduced like personal CHAs were.

Next you go on to say that you shouldnt need to scan WHs and that they should just be warpable, yeah guess that makes sen... wait.... WHAT???
You cannot be serious...
News Flash: warpable WHs are called stargates and they already exist. If you want to use them, then I suggest youre living in the wrong space son.

I didn't read any further because you completely lost me there.
Scanning is now as easy as I can possibly imagine it and frankly, if someone is too lazy to scan, I dont need them in my WH space.
Scanning is the whole POINT of WHs space ffs... it's what makes it 'unknown'.

Look, I know you like WH space and have been here for a long time but if you don't want to be here, don't be.


The current list of issues with WH space in my book has 1 entry: the WH wobble on warp to.
This is absolute garbage that completely ruins any sort of interactions on mid massed WHs.
And guess what? it's a new 'feature' from CCP....

Regarding WH people needing to stand up and demand CCP provide more content/'fixes', Im also not on that train at all.
For the past half dozen patches or so there have been random stealth changes, the stupid wobble being the latest, made to WH space that have all been universally terrible.
Personally I want LESS CCP touching of WH space, not more.

PS: Just to get it out of the way, yes I want POSs fixed, no POSs dont have anything to do with WH space, theyre a universal issue.

There is no Bob.

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-12-11 22:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Thats the point i m making .. if it would be me .. i would say **** CORP BOOKMARKS and auto updated sigs ... but i will be cursed if you say the unknown in wormholes is the scanning part.. thats what gets you to the unknown .. in its current form .. i dont enjoy scanning anymore as of .. its just digging through piles of junk to find the next pile of junk....there is no real unknown .. just stupidity and that gets rare.... everybody plays it safe .. so why the hastle ... atleast if i wouldnt have to throw fuckin sisters out of the window to announce my presence to get a grasp on the situation ... in the wormhole... are you actually still playing or still away for days? Go do some scanning :)

The fun in wormholes is not the Scanning part, its the layout of the chains itself, in what system to fight, who is also connected and what is behind the next hole ... NOT IGNORING GAS, RELIC and DATA SITES ... THATS NOT UNKNOWN THATS ******* ACCOUNTANTS WORK!

I d rather have my idea out there before the next horrible idea comes around... like a personal SMA that can store 3 cruisers per Person ....

For example when you fly a ship with a Corp Hangar, you got those nice green icons, why cannot i have a SMA with that functions or mark my ship to be bound to my pilot only ... LIKE i dont know CAR KEYS?

Here is what Rubicon meant for Wormholes:
- Mobile Depot free High Slot from Probe Launcher Enslavement
- Mobile Depot makes Trimark Rig best rig for your armor T3...
- Wormhole Sound gets wonky .. fixed
- Wormhole gets wonky ... not fixed
- Siphon Units are as fast paste as a Freighter in Warp
- Warp Speed Changes i like
- Making frigs useful i like
- Ghost Sites as "here boys everyone gets a new mission" while from a conceptional standpoint its just another folder dumped on the current ccp work in progress dumb
- Everybody likes new SHIPS rights also we picked up an Idea from when we introduced the tier 2 battlecruisers...



The only .. only really gooood thing that came with Rubicon ..were the changes to the fleet system ... that person should get a noble peace price beyond that i just want to see it burn....

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-11 23:04:53 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
I d rather have my idea out there before the next horrible idea comes around... like a personal SMA that can store 3 cruisers per Person ....

For example when you fly a ship with a Corp Hangar, you got those nice green icons, why cannot i have a SMA with that functions or mark my ship to be bound to my pilot only ... LIKE i dont know CAR KEYS?

for the last time... POS related changed are NOT wormhole issues. theyre POS issues.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#9 - 2013-12-11 23:11:44 UTC
10/10.

I'm a pleb, so you lost me at several of your points but it doesn't matter because I had a great laugh simply from your writing style and always appreciate a text wall.

Many of your points I did understand I found I could kinda agree with. Although Jack is also on the money with his replies. Truth's always in the middle somewhere I guess, and ain't no way I'm getting between you guys. Shocked

HerrBert wrote:
womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm

This made my day. Lol I watch your videos and could totally hear you making that noise.

TLDR:
Herrbert for CSM.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-12-11 23:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Jack Miton wrote:
HerrBert wrote:
I d rather have my idea out there before the next horrible idea comes around... like a personal SMA that can store 3 cruisers per Person ....

For example when you fly a ship with a Corp Hangar, you got those nice green icons, why cannot i have a SMA with that functions or mark my ship to be bound to my pilot only ... LIKE i dont know CAR KEYS?

for the last time... POS related changed are NOT wormhole issues. theyre POS issues.



if you would have payed attention .. Alliance Bookmarks could fix the common thief :P so go suck it, dont need to be another issue to get fixed by another issue.. welcome to EvE this is Fixcaption... you fix something by using something else... LIKE IT IS THE WAY OF THE CAPSULEER .. CPP GIVES.. Player fudges it up and throws it back



Okay what does it acutally MEAN! Since apperently Alliance Bookmarks are fairly "wierd"
For a Nullsec perspective a 2000 Man Alliance gets informed about a Wormhole in their Domain not via a dude on the Hole but a handy Bookmark, making it rather easy anyways to get into Wormholes. While for the average Wormhole Coloney this means cutting through the red tape that are corp roles which lead to hilarious but inevitiably non sustainable results. You still can have a Trainee Camp **** it lots of corps already have Bootcamps the only thing that is annoying is the exchange of bookmarks...

So with a safer wormhole enviroment "AGAIN" we get maybe... mayybe a fourth generation started .. huiiiii ..... and at that point the average wormhole corp will have an higher average then the current but more people are just stuck with Janitor duty...

The way I see with the current path, its heading their anyway....and the current mechanics are to much of a time sink for the actual fast pasted nature that is possible in wormholes.


Also thats awesome to hear Erica ... not the CSM Part but the youtube stuff... i be damned if my free spirit get nda'd

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Sum Olgy
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-11 23:32:24 UTC
I'm with Bert. Wormholes, while perhaps not broken, need some love and some new ideas.

CCP say they want more interaction and more conflict in the game. I'll drink to that but actions CCP, not just words.

And don't be lazy people - chuck ideas on here - even in this thread. Or at your favourite CSM member. There are two quite dedicated to wormholes - try them - they don't bite.

For a start - CCP - you said you never expected people to live in wormholes. Perhaps you should make it so it's really really hard to. Or at least harder than now. Significantly. Make the player base come up with new ideas to thwart your expansions.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-12-11 23:34:30 UTC
Bert wrote:
Now someone could say: “Okay but Wormholes were never intended to be colonized.” Well, the City of Mexico wasn’t expecting the slum settlements either but apparently now they got to deal with it.



I hope people will remember that....

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Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-11 23:41:55 UTC
Bert - your every word is burnt into the back of my retina.
Steven Hackett
Overload This
#14 - 2013-12-12 00:15:03 UTC
1 thing Bert.. The WH's as anomaly part..

I think one of the greatest parts of w-space is that people don't scan their entire chain, cause lazy.. When you watch an enemy fleet and know they doesn't know where your WH is, cause they havn't dropped probes to find it.
If everyone had the WH's as anomalies, you would loose that surprise, which is also why the autoupdating siglist is bullshit.

Also, why is it, that CCP every damn patch goes "no new content for w-space" and yet, they always manage to ruin the wormhole effects or our gameplay.. It is pretty damn impressive tbh.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-12-12 00:16:54 UTC
Steven Hackett wrote:
1 thing Bert.. The WH's as anomaly part..

I think one of the greatest parts of w-space is that people don't scan their entire chain, cause lazy.. When you watch an enemy fleet and know they doesn't know where your WH is, cause they havn't dropped probes to find it.
If everyone had the WH's as anomalies, you would loose that surprise, which is also why the autoupdating siglist is bullshit.

Also, why is it, that CCP every damn patch goes "no new content for w-space" and yet, they always manage to ruin the wormhole effects or our gameplay.. It is pretty damn impressive tbh.



Hences the fact why i rather contiously walk into the fire then just get shot in the face by it....

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2013-12-12 00:43:44 UTC
C4 dual static would be wonderful. Think C4 -> C4/C2 would be in high demand... Would also give those of us who shafted themselves with C5 -> C4 holes a nice C2 highway to roam.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-12 00:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Steven Hackett wrote:
Also, why is it, that CCP every damn patch goes "no new content for w-space" and yet, they always manage to ruin the wormhole effects or our gameplay.. It is pretty damn impressive tbh.

^this is the stance I have as well.
CCP have demonstrated time and time again that they can't make even the smallest changes to WH space without messing it up.
all of their WH changes seem custom specialized to **** off WH dwellers.

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Maxisabe
Anoikis Equilibrium
Honorable Third Party
#18 - 2013-12-12 00:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Maxisabe
Just want to point out that not having to scan wormholes would change pvp in a pretty harmful way, possibly killing WH space.

If wormholes were warpable then we would pretty much instantly have the entire chain scouted, nothing would be a surprise. Small corps/farmers/solo would also be much less viable.

Quite often when scouting a chain, if we run into potential pew we don't want to drop probes and alert the pew to POS up. In effect this means we know the chain up to that system and no further, which can and has turned into three way fights. This is about the only time two fleets can come together without scouting each other first. ( unless your Boris, in which case you welp your fleet into another unscouted fleet that is known for having more numbers with half your fleet not aligned/afk and no logistics )
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-12-12 00:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Maxisabe wrote:
Just want to point out that not having to scan wormholes would change pvp in a pretty harmful way, possibly killing WH space.

If wormholes were warpable then we would pretty much instantly have the entire chain scouted, nothing would be a surprise. Small corps/farmers/solo would also be much less viable.

Quite often when scouting a chain, if we run into potential pew we don't want to drop probes and alert the pew to POS up. In effect this means we know the chain up to that system and no further, which can and has turned into three way fights. This is about the only time two fleets can come together without scouting each other first. ( unless your Boris, in which case your welp your fleet into another unscouted fleet that is known for having more numbers with half your fleet not aligned/afk and no logistics )



I do get that, honestly i do love it.

Core Probes = Knocking at the door
Combat Probes = Rattling Cages

But in an awful twist of fade, you are hanging on to something that once was and has been patched so far from its initial use, that you can actually forget it.
I rather kill the current way of PvP in Wormholes and force it more to a game of scouts and cloaks ... to truely live in the shadows again. Since there are already plenty of Alarm bells before you drop probes.... Sound and Scanpickets being the oldest fellas. And the so called "Three-way" is something that rather happens once every blood moon....like i said the addiction to this and its "past" is very strong and the history of CCP killing it by a thousand stings is way past breaking point

I m Done... CCP HILMAR TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!

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Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#20 - 2013-12-12 01:23:29 UTC
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