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Suicide ganking - too much - solution

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#221 - 2013-12-11 14:22:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

when the Goons were paying for a continuous Hulkageddon.



Ice Interdiction and Hulkageddon are not the same thing

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#222 - 2013-12-11 14:25:08 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Quote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my...


Lol and I stopped reading right there.

Play the game or don't. In other words be at your keyboard.

Let me ask you, ever played a game called Fallout? And then particularly F3 or 'Las Vegas'?
There is an option to auto move through the wastelands, 'q' key I think.
Now in those wastelands there is scum, animals, mutated animals, mutated mutants and they all want you dead.
Tell me, if you play F3 and hit 'q' and go bake a cake, put out the trash or whatever, do you really expect to see your character alive when you come back to the screen? Shocked

Rules of EVE:

Rule No. #1 don't trust anybody.
Rule No. #2 never fly autopilot.






So you could apply this same logic to afk cloakers? If one person should have to be at the keyboard and play the game then we all should.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#223 - 2013-12-11 14:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


So you could apply this same logic to afk cloakers? .



Yes

The logic being, an AFK cloaker is a Cessna flying over the Wasteland blowing the mutated animals and the mutated mutants kisses while spying on your doings and leavings

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#224 - 2013-12-11 14:30:02 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Its only as easy as the victim makes it and this victim was afk flying in a low ehp ship with his tank turned off and enough expensive mods to make him worth ganking.


ecmgus are passive-tanked. trimarks in rigs, plate and adaptive nanos in low. roughly 70k ehp. give or take. Thats just so you know.

Be careful you just proved bat sheet wrong, youll be on the list Big smile
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#225 - 2013-12-11 14:31:08 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


So you could apply this same logic to afk cloakers? .



Yes

The logic being, an AFK cloaker is a Cessna flying over the Wasteland blowing the mutated animals and the mutated mutants kisses while spying on your doings and leavings

Not if he logged on and went to work he isint.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#226 - 2013-12-11 14:33:28 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Not if he logged on and went to work he isint.



Yeah but you dont know that

He could be sleeping in the Cessna while its on autopilot

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#227 - 2013-12-11 16:16:28 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
The solution to ganking is to stop flying ships with fits and/or cargo that are worth ganking, it's not rocket science. If people want to stop being targets then stop acting like one so don't look at others for both blame and solution to your problems, look at yourselves.

- don't faction fetish **** fit
- don't haul ridiculous cargo values
- don't be afk
- actually TANK your ships (it's a radical concept, I know)
- stop being clueless on basic game mechanics.
- don't have a big mouth making you stand out
- if you're mining; stop being in the lazy/logical systems

In short; don't be an idiot. Ganking is mostly just Darwinism and we can never have too much of that in EVE.



You can now do all these things and still be ganked in high-sec (don't know about null or WH). Destroyer-Ganking Online is a winning financial strategy that makes ganking anything over a meta-1 cruiser profitable. And if you're in it for the tears, profitable is a distant secondary consideration.



You can stay inside your house and still be killed, but the chances are a lot smaller. And that's the point, it's all about risk management and if you're even remotely competent at that then you're very unlikely to be a target.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#228 - 2013-12-11 18:08:16 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Quote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my...


Lol and I stopped reading right there.

Play the game or don't. In other words be at your keyboard.

Let me ask you, ever played a game called Fallout? And then particularly F3 or 'Las Vegas'?
There is an option to auto move through the wastelands, 'q' key I think.
Now in those wastelands there is scum, animals, mutated animals, mutated mutants and they all want you dead.
Tell me, if you play F3 and hit 'q' and go bake a cake, put out the trash or whatever, do you really expect to see your character alive when you come back to the screen? Shocked

Rules of EVE:

Rule No. #1 don't trust anybody.
Rule No. #2 never fly autopilot.






So you could apply this same logic to afk cloakers? If one person should have to be at the keyboard and play the game then we all should.


As and when AFK cloakers complain about the consequences of being AFK, sure.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#229 - 2013-12-11 19:00:54 UTC
So this thread is about a solution to the suicide ganking "problem"?

When did it become a problem?

Oh, apparently right after the gank that the OP doesn't really care about happened. SmileSmileSmile

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#230 - 2013-12-11 19:03:58 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
So this thread is about a solution to the suicide ganking "problem"?

When did it become a problem?

Oh, apparently right after the gank that the OP doesn't really care about happened. SmileSmileSmile


Well according to QQCats, if enough people complain about something, that means the game is busted.

And a lot of people complain that there's PvP in this game, so...

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#231 - 2013-12-11 19:15:11 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
So this thread is about a solution to the suicide ganking "problem"?

When did it become a problem?

Oh, apparently right after the gank that the OP doesn't really care about happened. SmileSmileSmile


Well according to QQCats, if enough people complain about something, that means the game is busted.

And a lot of people complain that there's PvP in this game, so...

I can get behind that.

Last time I played chess someone had the audacity to take some of my pieces!

Obviously the mechanics of that game are totally borked and need a complete rethink.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Tear Dancer
Armada vi Vulnezia
#232 - 2013-12-11 19:37:24 UTC
I am fairly new to the game and I love "ganking" retrievers with friends in our destroyers. This game is much more fun than other MMO's I have tried like (WOW, star wars old republic, bunch of other WOW wannabees) I was literally scared then excited killing the first retriever. No other game had that affect on me.

Try roleplaying as a pirate, I think it's fun to tell a story while i blow things up P

Read my story here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=297126&find=unread

Also, i hope they do more with walking in stations, i mean spaceships are great but some of us want to roleplay or walk around and see things other than "flying in space"

Pi$$ed off Exotic Dancer

I blow up Miners for fun and Dance for entertainment.
flakeys
Doomheim
#233 - 2013-12-11 19:39:37 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
My enragement is not the point.

Point is this: gankers got my nano plate, 80mil. Fine. 12 catalysts, thats, wait for it,

6.6 mil per pilot.

the ganker(s) stalk a tengu, set up, spend time, for 6mil???!!!

Ok 3 heavy launchers dropped also. lets say 7mil per pilot.

WTF????

WTF.....?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FOR 7MIL ALL THAT EFFORT?????

IM EMBARRASSED FOR THIS GANK SQUAD!!!!

i make billions per day in my hole, and im not even trying anymore, and these retards gank for a potential 7mil share?

even if its just one guy, if he ISBoxes, he could make crapton more even in nullsec.



They didn't do it for that 7 mille , they did it to get responses like your thread out of it and MAN they struck gold here ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#234 - 2013-12-11 20:10:12 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
So this thread is about a solution to the suicide ganking "problem"?

When did it become a problem?


Its a huge problem.

2 out of the 4 times it have tried, my ganks failed. Ganking is too hard. We need to buff ganking ships or nerf mining barges.

And make the barges more expensive so they look better on a killboard.

And don't get me started on these kill rights.

On a more serious note. Why don't more people make kill rights public when they don't intend to use them?

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2013-12-11 20:25:27 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:

Its a huge problem.

2 out of the 4 times it have tried, my ganks failed. Ganking is too hard. We need to buff ganking ships or nerf mining barges.

And make the barges more expensive so they look better on a killboard.

And don't get me started on these kill rights.

On a more serious note. Why don't more people make kill rights public when they don't intend to use them?

I have to agree! My first two ganks were complete failures! Hell, even today I sometimes botch a gank cuz of forgetting to overheat my guns and such.

When you go criminal the client should automaticly overheat your high rack! And what's with these Skiffs and Procurers?!?! They can fit BATTLESHIP TANKS to the point where you need 10-20 catalysts just to pop ONE!!!1!! And those AFK bears still pull in a decent yield in them! It's outrageous!!!
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#236 - 2013-12-11 21:23:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Quote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my...


Lol and I stopped reading right there.

Play the game or don't. In other words be at your keyboard.

Let me ask you, ever played a game called Fallout? And then particularly F3 or 'Las Vegas'?
There is an option to auto move through the wastelands, 'q' key I think.
Now in those wastelands there is scum, animals, mutated animals, mutated mutants and they all want you dead.
Tell me, if you play F3 and hit 'q' and go bake a cake, put out the trash or whatever, do you really expect to see your character alive when you come back to the screen? Shocked

Rules of EVE:

Rule No. #1 don't trust anybody.
Rule No. #2 never fly autopilot.






So you could apply this same logic to afk cloakers? If one person should have to be at the keyboard and play the game then we all should.


As and when AFK cloakers complain about the consequences of being AFK, sure.

The same rules should apply for the entire community . Shoulp CCP decide they dont want people to be afk instead of at the keyboard playing the game then how could this be any different for those that afk cloak??

"The same rain falls on the righteous as the unrighteous"
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#237 - 2013-12-11 21:24:35 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.



You call that cheap?

Wow I really suck at this game.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#238 - 2013-12-11 21:39:30 UTC
Don't know why anyone is surprised that CCP allows and celebrates this kind of behaviour.
Look at what they do to their employees in the name of "charity".

Just watch the twitch feed for the typhoon marathon.
Many of those events went well past the line of "good fun".

So why is it any surprise that they are giving more and more power to griefers?
All part of the same mindset, where tormenting a human physically or emotionally is considered high enjoyable, and normal behaviour.
Annie Anomie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2013-12-11 21:42:07 UTC
Ginger Barbarella
#240 - 2013-12-11 21:45:49 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

Nobody used to gank fleet ships several years ago. Too much of that lately, despite your protestations. Needs to cost more.



Doing so would be counter to CCP's drive to make life as difficult as possible for those that choose to use their product (EveO) in ways other than what CCP wants.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac