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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#41 - 2013-12-11 17:30:29 UTC
There is no official lore reason for the change because the change was not made for lore reasons.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-12-11 17:38:48 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
There is no official lore reason for the change because the change was not made for lore reasons.


Right. The lore reason is that it's always been like that. the term for that is "retcon".

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-12-11 18:13:14 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
In other words warp drive is still fiction.


There is a difference between "fiction", and "theoretically possible but we do not have the technology/power to achieve yet".

Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction...


My favourite sort of films are Science Theoretically-possible-but-we-do-not-have-the-technology/power-to-achieve-yet films

Yeah, that's kind of the point I was trying to make.
Something being theoretically possible doesn't make it not fiction.
A scandalous rendezvous between CCP Soundwave and Kate Upton is, while theoretically possible, still fiction until it happens. I'm reasonably sure it hasn't.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-12-11 18:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-12-11 19:12:50 UTC
The Orca got screwed for 1/3 of it's warp speed. Down from 3.0au/sec to 2.0au/sec. This is not good for gameplay CCP, but then again you don't give a phuckhole about Orca pilots so screw them...I see.....Roll
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#46 - 2013-12-11 19:51:06 UTC
Ghost Phius wrote:
The Orca got screwed for 1/3 of it's warp speed. Down from 3.0au/sec to 2.0au/sec. This is not good for gameplay CCP, but then again you don't give a phuckhole about Orca pilots so screw them...I see.....Roll

Actually, larger ships actually moving more like larger ships should in relation to other ships is very good for game play.

Although I have to admit, it would be most interesting to see how things played out if CCP had gone the other way.

That being large ships remaining very slow at normal speeds, but quite a bit faster in warp than smaller craft. Smile

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Abisha Baboli
#47 - 2013-12-11 19:53:20 UTC
Ghost Phius wrote:
The Orca got screwed for 1/3 of it's warp speed. Down from 3.0au/sec to 2.0au/sec. This is not good for gameplay CCP, but then again you don't give a phuckhole about Orca pilots so screw them...I see.....Roll


personaly i will have balanced a other way by making smaller ships just faster.
somehow game company's only think in Negative Terms.
they can have made anything below cruisers warp faster, without touching larger ships.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#48 - 2013-12-11 20:39:48 UTC
Not really true. I think there was even problems with fast warping ships and grid loading times. So right now the fastest warping ships are warping about as fast as the eve code base allows.

AKA the scientist.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#49 - 2013-12-11 23:25:52 UTC
Big lumbering ships are slow, shocker. I kinda like this change, even though I enjoy flying BS I enjoy the broader range of possible warp speeds. Maybe a slight buff of the rigs affecting them is in order? Gameplay-wise I think it's a sound decision.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-12-13 04:05:08 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Big lumbering ships are slow, shocker. I kinda like this change, even though I enjoy flying BS I enjoy the broader range of possible warp speeds. Maybe a slight buff of the rigs affecting them is in order? Gameplay-wise I think it's a sound decision.



Tell me how sound you think it was after jumping 52 jumps total on a market run. Nah, it phucked gameplay for Orca hauler traders really badly.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#51 - 2013-12-13 05:03:31 UTC
The Legendary Soldier wrote:


Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction...


To you maybe. You must not be Icelandic. They go out of their way there to respect the homes of the Huldrfolk when they do construction. There are some similar traditions in Hawaii with the Menehune.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-12-13 05:21:46 UTC
Physics in the EVE universe is based on rubber ducks in a bathtub.

This fact can be demonstrated in game by looking at what happens when two ships collide and also by the way your ship bobs up and down when sitting near a large object like a planet.

We know very little about ducks but two facts are clear:

a) They weight the same as a witch and hence can float.

b) Big ducks warp slower than small ducks.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#53 - 2013-12-13 05:39:47 UTC
Ghost Phius wrote:
The Orca got screwed for 1/3 of it's warp speed. Down from 3.0au/sec to 2.0au/sec. This is not good for gameplay CCP, but then again you don't give a phuckhole about Orca pilots so screw them...I see.....Roll

Of course, now you can put three Hyperspacial rigs onto it now, giving you a 3.91 AU warp speed that results in faster acceleration than before and meaningfully faster travel, and then add your 50% implants bonus onto it bringing you up above 5 AU, making your Orca warp more like a tech 1 frigate.
But CCP hate making you make meaningful choices & trade offs like speed or tank and want to make everything easy for Orca pilots at the same time.
Dextrome Thorphan
#54 - 2013-12-24 10:38:08 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
In other words warp drive is still fiction.


There is a difference between "fiction", and "theoretically possible but we do not have the technology/power to achieve yet".

Fairies, vampires, werewolves, pixies and deities are better examples of fiction...


My favourite sort of films are Science Theoretically-possible-but-we-do-not-have-the-technology/power-to-achieve-yet films


Dude there's a difference between scientific theories and science-fiction movies... always trying to be so clever but never making much sense.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#55 - 2013-12-24 10:41:42 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:


Dude there's a difference between scientific theories and science-fiction movies... always trying to be so clever but never making much sense.


Maybe not to you, but my sense of humour isn't set to "entertain stupid dingleberries"

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Zalena Skytrayn
Xoras Spacelines
#56 - 2013-12-24 11:25:40 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Physics in the EVE universe is based on rubber ducks in a bathtub.

This fact can be demonstrated in game by looking at what happens when two ships collide and also by the way your ship bobs up and down when sitting near a large object like a planet.

We know very little about ducks but two facts are clear:

a) They weight the same as a witch and hence can float.

b) Big ducks warp slower than small ducks.



^^ this wins .....
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#57 - 2013-12-25 05:27:37 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:

Or maybe I'm just missing something... feel free to enlighten me.


So you think a supertanker or a Panamax container ship should have just the same acceleration as a small dinghy with a 50hp engine, because after all the big ship can fit "more efficient, bigger engines". I think you need some physics classes. Esp those that have to do with Newton's laws, momentum, and heck even relativity.
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#58 - 2013-12-25 06:23:15 UTC
And why is the warp Speed of a POD sooooo slow (3 AU/s)?
Its the smallest in game with nearly NO mass, and so should warp about 50 AU/s or more... Twisted

But coming to the topic question...
CCP reduced the warp speed because ist always funny to nerf their players.
Warping slower means to arrive later, so players spend a lot more time in game than before now.
And the Yule Lads enjoy when the players now fall asleep in front of their screen because of the slow warp speed.
So again players spend even more time in game now while sleeping during warp.

Additional its healthy to take a nap now between two mission fights while the ship slow boats to the next.
So CCP cares for the health of their customers, giving them time for a nap. So takes away the stress players
earned with these much tooo fast awful warp speeds in the past (about 3 AU/s for BS - much too fast for the standard human).

Twisted
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-12-25 12:29:38 UTC
Aurora Fatalis wrote:
EVE's space is about as viscous as pudding.

It's harder to push a spoon through pudding than a knife.

Case closed.

This... actually cleared this up for me. Should I be concerned?

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Junn Typher
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-12-25 13:33:45 UTC
Well, the more powerfull the engines are the faster you go. It would be logical that a battleship warps at the same speed as any other ship, cause they may be bigger and heavier, so are the engines. But i don't care about hard science. Really.

This is EvE, not Kerbal Space program ...