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Newbie PVE: MJD Dominix, Armageddon and Raven fits here.
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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#41 - 2013-12-11 15:59:53 UTC
Very sensible, not over tanked, looks to make liberal use of dmg and projection/application mods, but not overly stacking penalized. +1
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-12-11 17:24:24 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:
Very sensible, not over tanked, looks to make liberal use of dmg and projection/application mods, but not overly stacking penalized. +1


Well spoken! This could be a description for a fine wine Smile
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#43 - 2013-12-12 11:44:30 UTC
Good fits and advices here for those starting missions, however I think OP should edit and talk about mobile depots, because this new feature changes the way we've been running missions in this game.

Used properly this new deployable structure allows us to fit whatever we need when we need it inside the mission itself, now we can fit for tank when most needed and then switch modules to increase damage once the received dps has lowered.

It may require some practice, but once you get the hang of it, reconfiguring your ship in space is priceless.

Advice to newbies and everyone alike is get some in the cargo hold and practice, be aware that it can become a distraction inside the missions the first times.
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-12-12 12:09:05 UTC
^ good advice above. Have a standard fit that is the best in most practical situations (5 DDA in practise for me), switch around on the fly (guristas mission hardening, serpentis sensor boosting, AE bonus room buffertank).
Tyrea Gaterau
Folktales
#45 - 2013-12-19 12:11:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrea Gaterau
When I used Dominix my fit was like this:
[Dominix, sentry tech 2]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines

Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot] - whatever you want
[empty high slot] - whatever you want

Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Ionic Field Projector I

Garde II x5
Warden II x5

you can swap faction for normal, but faction omnis are realy cheap. I never had any troubles in missions, it's just about how you use MJD. And it's omnitanked (lowest resist 57%) it's not much, but you tank with range and you have LAAR.
Lokee Skyhart
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-12-19 13:49:02 UTC
hello...i hope i'm asking right questions here hehe..

i'm still quite new in here..i have played eve on 2011 iirc..and just got back again

i was piloting drake before i left and now i made a new account still piloting drake...until now, i have enough ISK to get me a battleship..

i was thinking raven at first but recently i kinda tired with missiles and trying to get a new fresh air,either ship's design,playstyle,etc...

right now i'm interested with PVE only, and my eyes are set on both dominix and armageddon..although i prefer megathron to dominix purey because it's much cooler hahahahahaha...

so..any suggestion?

i'm looking for more challenging playstyle though Big smile
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-12-19 14:10:47 UTC
Lokee Skyhart wrote:
hello...i hope i'm asking right questions here hehe..

i'm still quite new in here..i have played eve on 2011 iirc..and just got back again

i was piloting drake before i left and now i made a new account still piloting drake...until now, i have enough ISK to get me a battleship..

i was thinking raven at first but recently i kinda tired with missiles and trying to get a new fresh air,either ship's design,playstyle,etc...

right now i'm interested with PVE only, and my eyes are set on both dominix and armageddon..although i prefer megathron to dominix purey because it's much cooler hahahahahaha...

so..any suggestion?

i'm looking for more challenging playstyle though Big smile


I would have made a new thread

For missions it would depend on what you want.

Dominix or Armageddon means lots of drone skills and can be fun. Expect to micro manage drones because they will take aggro.

Missiles can be boring but missions in general can be boring as well. Make sure you have good core and tanking skills before you get into a battleship. Do level 3's in a battlecruiser till you get them. You'll make more ISK as well.

I've heard that a T3 can be challenging since you have to kite a lot of DPS but I'm not sure since I don't fly one.
Lokee Skyhart
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-12-19 14:52:05 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Lokee Skyhart wrote:
hello...i hope i'm asking right questions here hehe..

i'm still quite new in here..i have played eve on 2011 iirc..and just got back again

i was piloting drake before i left and now i made a new account still piloting drake...until now, i have enough ISK to get me a battleship..

i was thinking raven at first but recently i kinda tired with missiles and trying to get a new fresh air,either ship's design,playstyle,etc...

right now i'm interested with PVE only, and my eyes are set on both dominix and armageddon..although i prefer megathron to dominix purey because it's much cooler hahahahahaha...

so..any suggestion?

i'm looking for more challenging playstyle though Big smile


I would have made a new thread

For missions it would depend on what you want.

Dominix or Armageddon means lots of drone skills and can be fun. Expect to micro manage drones because they will take aggro.

Missiles can be boring but missions in general can be boring as well. Make sure you have good core and tanking skills before you get into a battleship. Do level 3's in a battlecruiser till you get them. You'll make more ISK as well.

I've heard that a T3 can be challenging since you have to kite a lot of DPS but I'm not sure since I don't fly one.


hmm..if it's like that then i prob take it slow and have raven for a while and see how it's fare..if i got bored i could always sell it and try another ships while making ISK along the way on my drake :D

from there, i might train for dom or arma along the way...somehow... hehehe

thanks a lot :D
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-12-19 16:31:50 UTC
Lokee Skyhart wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Lokee Skyhart wrote:
hello...i hope i'm asking right questions here hehe..

i'm still quite new in here..i have played eve on 2011 iirc..and just got back again

i was piloting drake before i left and now i made a new account still piloting drake...until now, i have enough ISK to get me a battleship..

i was thinking raven at first but recently i kinda tired with missiles and trying to get a new fresh air,either ship's design,playstyle,etc...

right now i'm interested with PVE only, and my eyes are set on both dominix and armageddon..although i prefer megathron to dominix purey because it's much cooler hahahahahaha...

so..any suggestion?

i'm looking for more challenging playstyle though Big smile


I would have made a new thread

For missions it would depend on what you want.

Dominix or Armageddon means lots of drone skills and can be fun. Expect to micro manage drones because they will take aggro.

Missiles can be boring but missions in general can be boring as well. Make sure you have good core and tanking skills before you get into a battleship. Do level 3's in a battlecruiser till you get them. You'll make more ISK as well.

I've heard that a T3 can be challenging since you have to kite a lot of DPS but I'm not sure since I don't fly one.


hmm..if it's like that then i prob take it slow and have raven for a while and see how it's fare..if i got bored i could always sell it and try another ships while making ISK along the way on my drake :D

from there, i might train for dom or arma along the way...somehow... hehehe

thanks a lot :D


All the fits in the OP are well suited for you I think. Pick one and go for it! Armageddon has the most potential of these ships but least upgrade: a cruise missile + sentry drone armageddon is quite good but there's not much to stretch those skills for later on. Raven upgrades to Golem which is really nice. Dominix upgrades to rattlesnake with missile skills much later on.
Lokee Skyhart
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-12-19 17:10:55 UTC
Miasmos wrote:


All the fits in the OP are well suited for you I think. Pick one and go for it! Armageddon has the most potential of these ships but least upgrade: a cruise missile + sentry drone armageddon is quite good but there's not much to stretch those skills for later on. Raven upgrades to Golem which is really nice. Dominix upgrades to rattlesnake with missile skills much later on.


So wait, if from a dom to ratty is not a waste and instead of a valuable experience. Should i just go from drake to dom and then work my way up to ratty? I mean it's not a waste of time right? I'm not a hardcore player or grinder also hehe
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-12-19 18:22:01 UTC
Lokee Skyhart wrote:
Miasmos wrote:


All the fits in the OP are well suited for you I think. Pick one and go for it! Armageddon has the most potential of these ships but least upgrade: a cruise missile + sentry drone armageddon is quite good but there's not much to stretch those skills for later on. Raven upgrades to Golem which is really nice. Dominix upgrades to rattlesnake with missile skills much later on.


So wait, if from a dom to ratty is not a waste and instead of a valuable experience. Should i just go from drake to dom and then work my way up to ratty? I mean it's not a waste of time right? I'm not a hardcore player or grinder also hehe


Nothing is a waste of time if you like it. I didn't mean to imply the Domi was bad. It's just different. It does require a bit more micromanagement than a missile ship but it's not unbearable.

I wish the test server could let people try ships.
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#52 - 2013-12-19 20:27:25 UTC
Lokee Skyhart wrote:
Miasmos wrote:


All the fits in the OP are well suited for you I think. Pick one and go for it! Armageddon has the most potential of these ships but least upgrade: a cruise missile + sentry drone armageddon is quite good but there's not much to stretch those skills for later on. Raven upgrades to Golem which is really nice. Dominix upgrades to rattlesnake with missile skills much later on.


So wait, if from a dom to ratty is not a waste and instead of a valuable experience. Should i just go from drake to dom and then work my way up to ratty? I mean it's not a waste of time right? I'm not a hardcore player or grinder also hehe


Missiles are a bad way to get into the game, simply due to the fact you need to branch out into E-war namely 'target painting'.
Everything about missiles costs more SP for less returns.
A total multiplier of 15x worth of skill multipliers, 8x is a month(2x=1 week of-course) at 'PERFECT' SP meaning optimal remap and 5+ implants so that is rather an optimistic 'best of' scenario.
Missile support 21x....Missile skills 18x......and then target painting 15x.. ofc it also doesn't open up any real capital weapons if you care.
Gunnery 18x... Gun skills 9x per faction guntype..
Specializations are the only thing created equal.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-12-19 21:58:19 UTC
Marcus Walkuris wrote:
Lokee Skyhart wrote:
Miasmos wrote:


All the fits in the OP are well suited for you I think. Pick one and go for it! Armageddon has the most potential of these ships but least upgrade: a cruise missile + sentry drone armageddon is quite good but there's not much to stretch those skills for later on. Raven upgrades to Golem which is really nice. Dominix upgrades to rattlesnake with missile skills much later on.


So wait, if from a dom to ratty is not a waste and instead of a valuable experience. Should i just go from drake to dom and then work my way up to ratty? I mean it's not a waste of time right? I'm not a hardcore player or grinder also hehe


Missiles are a bad way to get into the game, simply due to the fact you need to branch out into E-war namely 'target painting'.
Everything about missiles costs more SP for less returns.
A total multiplier of 15x worth of skill multipliers, 8x is a month(2x=1 week of-course) at 'PERFECT' SP meaning optimal remap and 5+ implants so that is rather an optimistic 'best of' scenario.
Missile support 21x....Missile skills 18x......and then target painting 15x.. ofc it also doesn't open up any real capital weapons if you care.
Gunnery 18x... Gun skills 9x per faction guntype..
Specializations are the only thing created equal.


I agree that missiles can be more skill point intensive than gunnery especially after the Rubicon changes. I wouldn't pick a ship or weapons platform based on how long it takes to train. So what if it takes a bit longer because once it's done it's done. I mean this is just how I look at it. For general purpose PVE missiles are superior because you can chose your damage type and do 100 percent of that damage. Target painting requires a little skill investment but it's not that bad either.

I do PVE in gun ships as well but they are more specialized. For example Amarr ships do extremely well against Sansha and Blood Raiders. Against Serpentis or Guristas meh not so great.

Now if you want to PVP an argument could me made that guns are superior. I do most my PVP with gun ships.

It's all about what you like to do. I will advise not to be wishy washy when it comes to making decisions about skills. Five million skill points invested in missiles is not a good time to decide you like guns better. You're better off being able to do a few things very well than suck at everything LOL
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-12-20 12:41:13 UTC
The above underlined.

Also, in the time it takes to master stuff stuff gets rebalanced anyway, in the standard 5 year balancing cycles.
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