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Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers
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Malachi Finn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-12-11 15:39:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Malachi Finn
Lots of fun but 40s reload time is too long.

Suggest a 30s reload time be considered.


Thanks

Malachi

ADDENDUM: I am adding this because of the several posts about trying to 'fix' the Rapid Missile Launchers and because I have been using them since the first day they were introduced, first on my Raven then on my Scorpion NI. I love them and I have used torpedoes and cruise missiles and to date the rapid heavy missile launcher platform has outperformed both of the previous types I just named.

That said, there IS something that could make them better - Option 1: Reload time (regardless of ammo amount) 25s) - Option 2: Reload time is 35s and full complement is 30 missiles as opposed to the currently revised 25 units - Option 3: Reload time 30s with full load remaining current 25.

I as an avid user of the RHML platform would be happy with either of those options (though I'm more in favor of option 1); I understand the principle of game balancing and think the above options could work. Whether they are or not I will still use the RHML launcher system unless CCP increases the time back and/or reduces the missile load.
Spud Lazair
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-12-11 16:57:11 UTC
rapid lights were also 40s needless to say i dumped them :)

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-11 17:28:19 UTC
I agree but does this really need ANOTHER forum thread?

There's about a half dozen forums threads on this topic already. Shocked
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2013-12-11 21:27:49 UTC
RIP RLML Caracal. I loved thee well.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-12-11 22:01:52 UTC
The reload time does indeed make the module suck ****. You're better fitting cruises and a target painter.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Kenshi Hanshin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-12-11 22:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenshi Hanshin
IIshira wrote:
I agree but does this really need ANOTHER forum thread?

There's about a half dozen forums threads on this topic already. Shocked

Yes it does!

CCP Rise didn't even address that issue of reload timer when he first posted his Rapid Thread. His response boiled down to "I think it is fine and will possibly consider adjusting it at some unknown time in the future if ever. Cause it works and is cool in War Thunder, thus it will be in Eve Online."

I have completely dropped missiles. Neither Rise nor Fozzie have made any attempt to address the fundamental issues with the missile mechanics. Nor have they communicated any intent to do that. I am not dumping any more time and SP into this broken system. If you don't understand the reasons, I suggest you read the Rubicon-Rapids Odyssey-HM and Retribution-CM threads.

The reasoning is clear enough I bet a twelve-year old can grasp the concept. Which by the way, doesn't speak anything good about CCP 40Sec or CCP Fizzle.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#7 - 2013-12-11 22:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Perhaps a skill that allows you to bring down the reload time? Each level brings the reload time down by 8 seconds.

But yeah, RHML sucks as it is currently is. CCP Rise didn't think this through well enough. Disappointing considering he used to be a EVE pilot himself

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-11 23:03:15 UTC
Kenshi Hanshin wrote:
IIshira wrote:
I agree but does this really need ANOTHER forum thread?

There's about a half dozen forums threads on this topic already. Shocked

Yes it does!

CCP Rise didn't even address that issue of reload timer when he first posted his Rapid Thread. His response boiled down to "I think it is fine and will possibly consider adjusting it at some unknown time in the future if ever. Cause it works and is cool in War Thunder, thus it will be in Eve Online."

I have completely dropped missiles. Neither Rise nor Fozzie have made any attempt to address the fundamental issues with the missile mechanics. Nor have they communicated any intent to do that. I am not dumping any more time and SP into this broken system. If you don't understand the reasons, I suggest you read the Rubicon-Rapids Odyssey-HM and Retribution-CM threads.

The reasoning is clear enough I bet a twelve-year old can grasp the concept. Which by the way, doesn't speak anything good about CCP 40Sec or CCP Fizzle.


Making multiple threads on the same topic isn't going to change CCP's mind LOL
Maxor Swift
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-12 01:26:31 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Kenshi Hanshin wrote:
IIshira wrote:
I agree but does this really need ANOTHER forum thread?

There's about a half dozen forums threads on this topic already. Shocked

Yes it does!

CCP Rise didn't even address that issue of reload timer when he first posted his Rapid Thread. His response boiled down to "I think it is fine and will possibly consider adjusting it at some unknown time in the future if ever. Cause it works and is cool in War Thunder, thus it will be in Eve Online."

I have completely dropped missiles. Neither Rise nor Fozzie have made any attempt to address the fundamental issues with the missile mechanics. Nor have they communicated any intent to do that. I am not dumping any more time and SP into this broken system. If you don't understand the reasons, I suggest you read the Rubicon-Rapids Odyssey-HM and Retribution-CM threads.

The reasoning is clear enough I bet a twelve-year old can grasp the concept. Which by the way, doesn't speak anything good about CCP 40Sec or CCP Fizzle.


Making multiple threads on the same topic isn't going to change CCP's mind LOL


What other recourse do we have other than unsubbing ofc

"What you talking about willis"
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-12 01:51:00 UTC
Maxor Swift wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Kenshi Hanshin wrote:
IIshira wrote:
I agree but does this really need ANOTHER forum thread?

There's about a half dozen forums threads on this topic already. Shocked

Yes it does!

CCP Rise didn't even address that issue of reload timer when he first posted his Rapid Thread. His response boiled down to "I think it is fine and will possibly consider adjusting it at some unknown time in the future if ever. Cause it works and is cool in War Thunder, thus it will be in Eve Online."

I have completely dropped missiles. Neither Rise nor Fozzie have made any attempt to address the fundamental issues with the missile mechanics. Nor have they communicated any intent to do that. I am not dumping any more time and SP into this broken system. If you don't understand the reasons, I suggest you read the Rubicon-Rapids Odyssey-HM and Retribution-CM threads.

The reasoning is clear enough I bet a twelve-year old can grasp the concept. Which by the way, doesn't speak anything good about CCP 40Sec or CCP Fizzle.


Making multiple threads on the same topic isn't going to change CCP's mind LOL


What other recourse do we have other than unsubbing ofc


There's like hundreds of posts in the last thread complaining about it. Honestly I think CCP realizes that it was a bad idea but not many people are going to admit they made a bad choice. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think CCP gives two cents about people complaining on the forms. They're more tuned in to what some of the big alliances are saying so maybe their feedback is just as negative on this 40 second reload time?

Your other recourse is just not use this module. It's no different when they nerf a ship down. You fly something else. Of course this hurts newer pilots more but Eve is a harsh game.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#11 - 2013-12-12 09:56:57 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Perhaps a skill that allows you to bring down the reload time? Each level brings the reload time down by 8 seconds.

But yeah, RHML sucks as it is currently is. CCP Rise didn't think this through well enough. Disappointing considering he used to be a EVE pilot himself

So the weapon reloads instantly?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#12 - 2013-12-12 11:15:14 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Perhaps a skill that allows you to bring down the reload time? Each level brings the reload time down by 8 seconds.

But yeah, RHML sucks as it is currently is. CCP Rise didn't think this through well enough. Disappointing considering he used to be a EVE pilot himself

So the weapon reloads instantly?


Please do this, instant missile swap on RLML would be nice. Also keep the current damage it has.
Maxor Swift
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-12 15:32:58 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Maxor Swift wrote:
IIshira wrote:


Making multiple threads on the same topic isn't going to change CCP's mind LOL


What other recourse do we have other than unsubbing ofc


There's like hundreds of posts in the last thread complaining about it. Honestly I think CCP realizes that it was a bad idea but not many people are going to admit they made a bad choice. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think CCP gives two cents about people complaining on the forms. They're more tuned in to what some of the big alliances are saying so maybe their feedback is just as negative on this 40 second reload time?

Your other recourse is just not use this module. It's no different when they nerf a ship down. You fly something else. Of course this hurts newer pilots more but Eve is a harsh game.


What different missle launcher would that be for my cruiser?? HAMs suck(without gimping tank for application) HMLs suck even worse LMLs do to little damage and it cant fit cruises.

RLMLs where the only viable mid range missle platform.

"What you talking about willis"
Ginger Barbarella
#14 - 2013-12-12 16:22:52 UTC
Malachi Finn wrote:
Lots of fun but 40s reload time is too long.

Suggest a 30s reload time be considered.


Thanks

Malachi


Cuz, this topic hasn't been discussed 50 billion times already. lrn2search

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#15 - 2013-12-12 22:11:29 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Perhaps a skill that allows you to bring down the reload time? Each level brings the reload time down by 8 seconds.

But yeah, RHML sucks as it is currently is. CCP Rise didn't think this through well enough. Disappointing considering he used to be a EVE pilot himself

So the weapon reloads instantly?


Well, if you reach Level 5 skill, then the reload occurs instantly. CCP could play around with the numbers. Instead of 8 second, it could be 6 seconds or whatever. Introducing the skill, is a nice "out" for CCP without them acknowledging that they screwed up :)

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-12-13 00:39:49 UTC
yeah they suck and have only a very niche role in black ops ganks with Widows. since it is a gank you are unlikely to be on field long enough for the reload to matter, but.. we are talking a straight on gank.. so it really isnt a good argument for the rapid missile crap to exist as they do.

so.. as said in numerous threads now: they suck.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-13 03:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Deen Wispa wrote:
Perhaps a skill that allows you to bring down the reload time? Each level brings the reload time down by 8 seconds.

But yeah, RHML sucks as it is currently is. CCP Rise didn't think this through well enough. Disappointing considering he used to be a EVE pilot himself


So instead of just fixing one launcher that's broken the broken make a skill that affects all missile launchers. You sir could get a job working for the US government! Big smile
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#18 - 2013-12-14 07:57:07 UTC
They have very limited use in PVE and PVP... should have 20 secs reload time not 40, that's too much
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-12-14 11:02:47 UTC
The RLM and RHM launchers may be less universally useful, but I can see them making great secondary weapon systems. I tried the new RLML's on a mission Gila, and found them to be a great complement to sentry drones, especially as anti-tackle - the front-loaded DPS made them superior to the old RLM mechanic, in my opinion, and I hardly noticed the reload issue. I think I'll also try the RHML's out on an Armageddon fit.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#20 - 2013-12-14 13:48:13 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
The RLM and RHM launchers may be less universally useful, but I can see them making great secondary weapon systems. I tried the new RLML's on a mission Gila, and found them to be a great complement to sentry drones, especially as anti-tackle - the front-loaded DPS made them superior to the old RLM mechanic, in my opinion, and I hardly noticed the reload issue. I think I'll also try the RHML's out on an Armageddon fit.


No offense but. I think that is the only boat that goes for, and in the end it is nothing but a gimp overpriced ishtar. If you enjoy them I say more power to you though.
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