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THE END TO AFK MINING?

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Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-12-11 11:25:38 UTC
Almethea wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Brilliant...then they can implement that same idea on afk cloakers. You sir are genius


and also for booster ?


or sentry doctrine fleets , you can prolly bake a cake while in those fleets

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Linna Baresi
#82 - 2013-12-11 12:06:41 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.


Yes, cause autoclick programs don't exist...

/facepalm

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Josef Djugashvilis
#83 - 2013-12-11 12:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
I sometimes take my hands off the keyboard and take a sip of coffee whilst my sentry drones are doing their thing.

Does this mean I am afk?

It just seems to me to be very egotistical of some players to try to decide who is afk and who is not.

Even if a player is afk, it is none of your darned business.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#84 - 2013-12-11 12:55:06 UTC
This thread appears to have a lot of people in it sayin

"How dare you be against AFK people, its none y'damn business if I am AFK"

No one in their right mind and in the right Catalyst is against AFK people

In exactly the same way as those who say "How dare you be against Hisec"

No one is against Hisec

Its the best hunting ground in the universe

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-12-11 13:55:17 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
loco coco wrote:
There is literally no point you could make that proves that AFK mining is bad. It's their play style. Go play the game how you want to, but stop whining about others doing what they want.



Comments like this one make me sad. Sad

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK


I can't believe you took the time to type this horsecrap.

I do not remember paying for a sub in order to provide content for you or any other person.

Seems like you are way too addicted to this game, and/or, bored trying desperately to find something to do.

Maybe you should unsub for a break and think about what is really important in life.

No, afk behavior is not bad behavior. People do it for one reason or another, and that is their perogative.

Good lord, I think I'm becoming one of "those" forum people. Sad

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Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-12-11 13:56:15 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
People wont complain about AFK miners

If AFK miners didnt complain

About being killed

Pilot Les Wynan

Needs to do more mining

And Les Wynan


Excuses, excuses Roll

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#87 - 2013-12-11 13:57:55 UTC
Cyber SGB wrote:


Good lord, I think I'm becoming one of "those" forum people. Sad


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loco coco
#88 - 2013-12-11 14:05:08 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
loco coco wrote:
There is literally no point you could make that proves that AFK mining is bad. It's their play style. Go play the game how you want to, but stop whining about others doing what they want.



Comments like this one make me sad. Sad

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK


Alright buddy, no afk activities? That includes SOV/POS bashes as well. No more autopilot. Things that make the game a little more bearable would go away. If you were smart, you'd realize just how bad the price inflation would get with no AFK mining. Heck, it's already bad. I remember when the only battleship over 100m was an Abbadon. Now most of them are. T2 frigs were around 10 mill. Now they're over 20. You used to find carriers under a bill if you looked in the right places, same with dreads. Now everything is pricy as hell, and you want LESS minerals on the marker? Are you serious?
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#89 - 2013-12-11 14:07:45 UTC
Cyber SGB wrote:
Yonis Kador wrote:
loco coco wrote:
There is literally no point you could make that proves that AFK mining is bad. It's their play style. Go play the game how you want to, but stop whining about others doing what they want.



Comments like this one make me sad. Sad

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK


I can't believe you took the time to type this horsecrap.

I do not remember paying for a sub in order to provide content for you or any other person.

Seems like you are way too addicted to this game, and/or, bored trying desperately to find something to do.

Maybe you should unsub for a break and think about what is really important in life.

No, afk behavior is not bad behavior. People do it for one reason or another, and that is their perogative.

Good lord, I think I'm becoming one of "those" forum people. Sad



Whether or not you judge what I wrote to be "horsecrap" will not make it less true. The quality of this game is directly related to its player-generated content. Players who are afk contribute less than those who aren't. They aren't at the keyboard. They are contributing virtually zero. I never said they can't go afk, nor that they shouldn't go afk - only that afk players contribute less to pgc, which remains a fact. Afk players are less beneficial to the game irrespective of how they pay for their sub.

YK
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#90 - 2013-12-11 14:10:27 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
loco coco wrote:
There is literally no point you could make that proves that AFK mining is bad. It's their play style. Go play the game how you want to, but stop whining about others doing what they want.



Comments like this one make me sad. Sad

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK

So you could also apply this same logic to afk cloaker.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-12-11 14:12:59 UTC
I'm a big fan of AFK mining, they make for the best targets! \o/

Also, your plan will just have ppl AFK mining on half yield.

Tip: never ever become a game developer or someone in charge of anything if these are the kind of ideas you come up with, they'll all horribly backfire.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#92 - 2013-12-11 14:27:31 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


So you could also apply this same logic to afk cloaker.


Well, it's a little less clear because the afk cloaker still does influence other players' activities. But sure, ultimately because the player is afk, he still contributes less to pgc than other similarly-situated players who aren't afk. People who remain in npc corps contribute less to pgc than those who form their own corporations, even if they are the only person in the corp they create, by simply allowing other players the opportunity to declare war. I mean it isn't rocket science. Certain behaviors are absolutely more/less beneficial to pgc. The quality of this game is wholly dependant upon player interaction. So, imo, it isn't at all a radical idea to recognize that people who aren't even sitting at the keyboard contribute less to pgc than those who are. Frankly, I didn't even expect something so obviously true, and which has been affirmed in these forums repeatedly, to be challenged.

YK
Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-12-11 14:30:30 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Shadow Love wrote:
Hey, nice module. It makes AFK mining harder for AFK miners. Good thing they can't just not fit that module.

Oh wait, they could just not fit the module since you know, there is no benefit whatsoever to having it.

HERP DERP.


Did you read the OP?

Not having the module would cut your yield by 50%.


Dont mining crystals have a similar mechanic?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#94 - 2013-12-11 14:32:35 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


So you could apply this same logic to afk cloakers? .



Yes

The logic being, an AFK cloaker is a Cessna flying over the Wasteland blowing the mutated animals and the mutated mutants kisses while spying on your doings and leavings



Wait...
deja vu?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kontrapshun
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-12-11 14:36:31 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I'd suggest next time, just replace the lightbulb.


I was rolling.... funny stuff.


OP.... just so you know, many people mine for kicks in a semi-afk fashion, like while at work, watching a movie...etc..
It's pretty boring for the most part, so why insult miners even further by making them click more.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#96 - 2013-12-11 14:46:00 UTC
The whole afk mining thing is a non issue. People who kill miners and gleefully sperg about TEARS and BUTTEHERTZ are coping with a developmental phase. This was clearly shown to me lurking the Hulkageddon 4 channel, where some really hateful and stupid people would just drivel on and on about how they despise noncombat ships.
Honestly it was all a bit forced and weird.

OKAY you kill miners haulers whatever, don't say you're helping the game, don't make their AFK anyone's problem and don't even try to convince anyone it's anything but lols.
AFK cloaking is here to stay, end of.
Punchin out miners will never stop because eve never runs short of miserable jerks. I've hit the odd industrialist, but i wouldn't spend a month dedicated to it the way some sad-sacks seem to.

Douchebag eve career path: annoying or hitting weak targets in hisec >>> e-honoure bullshido in lowsec >>> km worship in null

Also: pgc is not a thing, you want more content, go create it.


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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#97 - 2013-12-11 14:48:23 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
pgc is not a thing, you want more content, go create it.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wuSqJG5bIKE/TMwKVaXkenI/AAAAAAAAAwU/fxeyUO5S2JE/s1600/circular-reasoning11.jpg

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#98 - 2013-12-11 14:53:11 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Yonis Kador wrote:
loco coco wrote:
There is literally no point you could make that proves that AFK mining is bad. It's their play style. Go play the game how you want to, but stop whining about others doing what they want.



Comments like this one make me sad. Sad

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK

So you could also apply this same logic to afk cloaker.


The "Afk Cloaker" is generating content. No one knows if he's really afk or not, No one knows if he has a cyno or not. his presence is invoking a reaction (dock up,safe up, or refit to fight/survive) And the AFK cloaker is literally altering market and monetary system behaviors.

Last week a group of cloakers in stealth bombers blanketed my alliances "home" constellation, forcing us to either fit to fight/run (which tanks your isk per hour) or do something else (to which many of us luled, because npc 0.0 missions in curse or delve are very tasty and impossible to "afk cloak"). No one "likes" it when it happens to them, but it's not in any way the same as afk mining.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2013-12-11 15:11:26 UTC
It costs 1 PLEX or $15 per system per month to AFK cloak (cloaking can not be trained on trial accounts, before someone tries to be a smartass).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jia Cato
Drone Matriarch
#100 - 2013-12-11 15:22:11 UTC
How about make mining an interactive experience like combat or exploration, instead of turning it into a hyper-borefest of single click spam.

I'd like mining a lot more if you used your mining laser at the magical scifi mining-frequency on the asteroid which would melt the waste bits away and thus cracking the asteroid into couple of pieces in a small radius around the original point, melting those smaller rocks again would crack open into ore clusters.

Then the miner would have to collect the scattered bits into their orehold. Here the player could use mobile tractor units and whatnot ore collecting devices to help with the jerb, mining drones would have a cousin in the form of micro-hauler drones collecting the goods around.

I guess the AFK mining could be left into the game too as a less interactive choise for those who want to do it, I dont find it much fun but dont see the enormous evil in it like some people seem to do, just make the yields smaller than what you'd get from the active asteroid cracking option.