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Kyseth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-12-10 19:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyseth
I would recommend the book "The Highly Sensitive Person" by Elaine Aron, especially if you score highly on the test.

I've had plenty of depression, social anxiety, and anxiety in general. This book helped frame things in a very helpful point of view and I highly recommend it to anyone that thinks of themselves as "shy", "introvert", "socially awkward", or feels they are depressed, anxious, or have any other dissociative behavior.

As for not wanting to deal with comms. I get that. Typing text is one thing. You can still "be" your character and you have a protective barrier between other characters and the people behind their screens. Once you get onto voice comms, you suddenly are dealing with people... and for some, that can be difficult to do.

Culture may tell you that there is something wrong with you for "not being social" but there is, in fact, nothing wrong with you at all. Just as a warrior prefers to run head first into battle with little regard, the advisor would prefer to have a well thought out plan to minimize risk or loss. Is either one "wrong" for how they wish to act? No. We need warriors and the bold just as much as the wise advisors who are cautious. They are simply different and just as important to the grand scheme of things.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#22 - 2013-12-10 20:34:56 UTC
I've read that too, that people in modern industrialized countries have the least free time ever in history. In the old agricultural societies, there would be a few weeks of intense activity (during tilling and planting season and harvest season). But during a big part of the year there were just a few tasks to do each day. That left quite a bit of free time, but of course when people were working, they were doing hard manual work.

I personally think people in modern, industrialized, urban environments might have it the hardest socially ever. I've lived beside a rural village in Liberia and in a rural village in Micronesia. In a village, you all grow up together, and everybody knows everybody. You're a part of the group, no matter whether you're talkative, shy, hyperactive, or whatever. People know who you are, how you are, they just accept you. Everybody, whatever their personality, is a part of the group-- whether they like it or not. (That's the downside-- having much privacy or "reinventing yourself" and making a new start are hard to pull off).

But in modern urban life, you don't have a built-in "group." You might have friends in high school, then you spit up and go different ways. You meet friends in college and at work, then you end up going different ways. Compared to a guy in a village, a modern urban guy has to be kind of a "social entrepreneur" to meet people. That's good for outgoing extroverted people, but harder for about everybody else. Even though they're poor, I think people in Less Developed Country villages have it easier than people in modern First World countries in some ways.

Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-12-10 20:45:16 UTC
Kyseth wrote:
I would recommend the book "The Highly Sensitive Person" by Elaine Aron, especially if you score highly on the test.


Thanks for the reference. Added it to my Amazon wish list.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#24 - 2013-12-10 21:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Khergit Deserters wrote:
I've read that too, that people in modern industrialized countries have the least free time ever in history. In the old agricultural societies, there would be a few weeks of intense activity (during tilling and planting season and harvest season). But during a big part of the year there were just a few tasks to do each day. That left quite a bit of free time, but of course when people were working, they were doing hard manual work.

I personally think people in modern, industrialized, urban environments might have it the hardest socially ever. I've lived beside a rural village in Liberia and in a rural village in Micronesia. In a village, you all grow up together, and everybody knows everybody. You're a part of the group, no matter whether you're talkative, shy, hyperactive, or whatever. People know who you are, how you are, they just accept you. Everybody, whatever their personality, is a part of the group-- whether they like it or not. (That's the downside-- having much privacy or "reinventing yourself" and making a new start are hard to pull off).

But in modern urban life, you don't have a built-in "group." You might have friends in high school, then you spit up and go different ways. You meet friends in college and at work, then you end up going different ways. Compared to a guy in a village, a modern urban guy has to be kind of a "social entrepreneur" to meet people. That's good for outgoing extroverted people, but harder for about everybody else. Even though they're poor, I think people in Less Developed Country villages have it easier than people in modern First World countries in some ways.



The price for the opportunity that some individuals have to be excellent is paid by the suffer and disgrace of the countless individuals who would be happier if they belonged to a highly structured society where they had no chance to step away from being useful, integrated and moderately happy, rather than be considered sole responsible of their inability to be excellent.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#25 - 2013-12-11 08:18:01 UTC
I was recently diagnosed with severe Depression and Anxiety, though i have been dealing with it for years and have only just seen a doctor about it. I am currently seeing a therapist for CBT (Cognetive Behavioural Therapy).

I generally don't speak on Teamspeak unless spoken too, or i have known the person for an extended period of time. That made recruiting for my last corp kinda hard for me, as bringing someone new onto Teamspeak put me back at square one again.

I generally don't talk in private chats if i can help it, its that fear of being one on one with someone. Works the same way on Teamspeak also.

I guess i am lucky that i have such an understanding corp really. The CBT has helped me massively in the past few weeks, I generally don't dwell on the bad stuff going through my head, I just act before i have a chance for that stuff gets to me.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2013-12-11 09:22:18 UTC
Victoria Sin, I've always been socially outgoing and it is to the point that thinking about some of my experiences makes me uncomfortable. actually, yeah, now that you've brought it up I'm pretty sure it'll keep me from sleeping a little extra tonight.

but

one thing it's shown me is no one really cares the next day what you do or say. unless it's a professional setting and your income depends on your good behavior or people liking you, it's inconsequential.

furthermore, abrasiveness is part of what gets me recognized by people long after I've interacted with them. professors in particular (as of late) remember my name a year after I've taken their class. not because I said or did the "right" things, but because I said *something* at all.

say what's on your mind. let people know you for your thought processes.

it doesn't matter so much what you say, just say something.



FRATERNAL TWIN MIDGET STRIPPERS
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#27 - 2013-12-11 11:22:15 UTC
Thats the unfortunate thing about anxiety, its all in your head. Your mind is literally lieing to you and making you believe stuff that isn't actually true.

A few recent revelations i have had;

-It's ok to not agree with somone.
-It's ok for people to be offended, it's not my issue, it's thiers
-People barely even notice that i stumble on words, if at all.
-Most of the time people aren't looking at you when they walk behind you
-People do actually like me as a person
-I use humor as a shield when something makes me nervous/uncomfortable.
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-12-11 11:25:40 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:

say what's on your mind. let people know you for your thought processes.
it doesn't matter so much what you say, just say something.



Everyone who posts here already follows this mantra, this is how the eve o forums became as they are.
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#29 - 2013-12-11 11:34:25 UTC
Sandslinger wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:

say what's on your mind. let people know you for your thought processes.
it doesn't matter so much what you say, just say something.



Everyone who posts here already follows this mantra, this is how the eve o forums became as they are.


This is the reason people with anxiety issue remain quiet, because people who have no idea jump to conclusions then post in threads like this trying to pass the blame off as a disorder.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2013-12-11 15:32:52 UTC
MIDDLE AGED FRATERNAL TWIN MIDGET STRIPPERS... ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON... IN BANGKOK
Za'afiel
Imperceptible Bedevilment
#31 - 2013-12-11 17:51:11 UTC
I've always considered myself an introvert, I do not socialize unless I have a good reason for it. At one point in my life I had to overcome the shyness and I almost did it, I asked my friend (wife now) to go out with me... sort of. I stood there with my sweaty palms, praying to every God to give me strength to say anything, anything at all, and instead I mumbled something that could hardly be considered talking, I believe "ughhhhghhh..." would be a quite close quotation of it.

Finally I looked at her, saw how beautiful she is, and said "d...hhh...mm..ggg..rrr"...
She must have seen my tortures, cause after what was about two minutes for her (a neverending catasrophy for me) she said: "sure we can go out some time".

The point is, when you meet someone wise enough to notice your shyness, speaking comes in time, and till then one can be silent and comfortable with it. I love this feeling when you drive with someone, you do not talk, and you do not feel awkward about it, you are just silent together.

Not sure if it is relevant for the topic, just felt like writing it.

Anyway, I'm sure that if it is something really important and right, either one can find the strenght to overcome the fear, or someone will notice the effort.

P.S. Wife is a big confidence boost.

Shoot them all! Be polite.

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#32 - 2013-12-11 19:02:01 UTC
Za'afiel wrote:
At one point in my life I had to overcome the shyness and I almost did it, I asked my friend (wife now) to go out with me... sort of. I stood there with my sweaty palms, praying to every God to give me strength to say anything, anything at all, and instead I mumbled something that could hardly be considered talking, I believe "ughhhhghhh..." would be a quite close quotation of it.

Finally I looked at her, saw how beautiful she is, and said "d...hhh...mm..ggg..rrr"...
She must have seen my tortures, cause after what was about two minutes for her (a neverending catasrophy for me) she said: "sure we can go out some time".


lol this is adorable. Smile
Za'afiel
Imperceptible Bedevilment
#33 - 2013-12-11 20:08:20 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:


lol this is adorable. Smile


That's what she said Big smile
It was rather pathetic from my perspective.
Oh well, I won and didn't die of a heart attack Blink

Shoot them all! Be polite.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2013-12-11 20:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
if we're on the topic of love interests, most people see it as the ultimate social challenge, but I think it's one of the easiest. just take a shower, shave, get a haircut and wear a new outfit--simple, but new--and just "hey i like your jacket" or "that's a cute hair-thing" and when they smile and say thanks follow it with "and you have a nice smile"

when you see how quickly people accept compliments it's very affirming.

be careful, though, if you do it too consistently they'll begin to like you and crave it.

to... a few girls in particular, who i sit near (and even ones who are on opposite ends of the classroom from me), over time I've pushed the limits of what I say. incredibly... blatant... come-ons, the more cliche the better, and it's stuff i can't type here.

you're not just denying yourself a good time, you're denying other people from hearing extraordinary things and the experience of something different

as for being mean, i can't think of any times when it's appropriate to be mean. assertive, maybe, but not mean. when people are mean it has everything to do with them and no one else.



lastly, take a psychology class, or read a decent book on basic psychology. specifically cognitive development, and adolescents. it's a theory, and not fact, but it's a good place to start: the basic idea is there are things about our personalities that are formed at a very young age. with this knowledge you can evaluate yourself and effect some change.
Kyseth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-12-11 20:34:58 UTC
I used to think the "we are shaped by what happened when we were kids" thing was a bunch of BS. It is actually very true to the point.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#36 - 2013-12-11 20:46:37 UTC
Though a bit unrelated i am shy in COMMs because I simply hate comms.

Last time I gave COMMs in an MMO a try I regretted it, not only because hearing someones voice destroys the appeal of the imaginary persona you used to have because I go into analytic mode when I hear someone speaking (part of my Imperial Conditioning training) , but also because I totally hate when random noises like burps, farts, fapping , mom yelling, psychotic screaming, children squealing, dogs barking, cats meowing, wives shouting , mics falling down, cords getting untangled, low breathing sounds, drooling, moaning, clapping, rasping, scratching, pimple smashing, mucus swelling, squeaky chairs, mattress pushing, pillow arranging, wind blowing, snow falling , thumping, low tremor, satanic voices, angelic chorus, random pop music, porn movie sounds, mispelled wordings, foreign accents, local accents, flat accents, drilling, squishing, gushing, wood knocking, fans too high, fans too low and any kind of onomatopoeia comes blurting out at my ears.

I can“t stand it, I just cant. Sound per se is one of the senses I believe we need to evolve from in our next evolutionary upgrade

I am one of those people that plays 95% of any kind of games on mute, no sounds and usually muffle my ears with Industry grade ear plugs and only listens to music for very very specific purposes.

Thats why I enjoy eve, it has no sounds. Deathly quiet in my sector of space.

Big smile

A world with no sound is much brighter by the way. Sound deprivation chambers have been some of the best trips in my life, Id recommend them to anyone, also one of the main reasons I loved working in a Hearing Impaired Kids school during a brief internship.

Talking with someone using hand motions was magic, sheer magic, and it was so quiet (or very noisome, depending on the degree of excitement of the speaker). I also enjoyed working with people with hearing impairments, there are more subtle nuances in a language that relies not only in hand motions but face/body expressions.

Yes.

have a nice day! o/

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-12-12 00:09:07 UTC
Samoth Egnoled wrote:
Thats the unfortunate thing about anxiety, its all in your head. Your mind is literally lieing to you and making you believe stuff that isn't actually true.

A few recent revelations i have had;

-It's ok to not agree with somone.
-It's ok for people to be offended, it's not my issue, it's thiers
-People barely even notice that i stumble on words, if at all.
-Most of the time people aren't looking at you when they walk behind you
-People do actually like me as a person
-I use humor as a shield when something makes me nervous/uncomfortable.


Actually have to disagree on your core statement there.

Regardless of whether you have anxiety the things you think others think about you might all be true Big smile
The only important thing is whether you are going to let what others think control your life Cool

I think most people will find that when they stop giving a fleck what others think then they gain the world in respect.

That's not to say that you should always give a **** it is very easy if you have been suffering from social anxiety and shyness and then get over that to actually become total assholes, because all the small jokes and jabs that people (especially guys) do to eachother all the time is a foreign language to you who have been hiding from it. Something to keep in mind softly softly does it.

I can relate a story of a friend of mine that suffered a lot from anxiety and shyness, He was 23 and really wanted a girlfriend as he had never had one. I was never that shy in that respect after I left my teens (when I was extremely shy)

So I took him out to town and we sat and talked and I got some of the girls on the table next to me involved in our conversation and my friend really hit it off with one of them (really cute girl too) They were absorbed in eachother for a good hour or so. Her friends left but she stayed (good damn sign rightCool )

I was a bit bored because well I didn't want to ruin their flow by involving myself and her friends had already left. So I paid a lot of attention to them ( I like studying people anyways)

Then the girl said that she had to go to the toilet for a moment + find her friend but she would come back.
I spoke to my friend and asked him if he liked the girl. He said aye but she was way too hot for him. I told him to stop being a stupid ass and give her the respect of day to let her make that decision rather than him make it for her.

The girl came back and sat down and then her friends came over. She moved across her friends to ensure that she sat close as possible to us. All the time she is staring at my friend inviting him with her body language to come over again.
But my friend he looks every other way, tries to look cool ignoring her. The girl looks real hurt and I kick my friend in the leg under the table and hiss in his ear to stop being such a ******* douche bag and at least say hello to her as she looks near to crying at being ignored so rudely.

Then they all leave the girl looks properly upset she probably wondered all night what was wrong with her to get blanked so badly ( she prob thought my pal had talked to her out of pity in the first place)

My pal he went home whinging that no girl would ever want him and that he was going to cut himself again that night, I told him that his self pitying was ******* pathetic and that in feeling so sorry for himself and focusin on nothing but his own lacking feelings of self worth he had really hurt a girls feelings that night. Which for a fleeting moment actually put a look of glee in his eyes before the self pity returned.

I know that feeling anxiety and overwhelming shyness is a horrible thing I have had those feelings as have almost everyone. Having self insight is a great thing also, but it is a egoistical thing too because when you walk around focusing on nothing but how people perceive you, then your focus is on nothing but yourself.

If you want to grow as a person try to focus on how others might feel instead, not feel about you but about themselves. Once you do that you might realise as you walk around that every sad/angry/whatever face you see isn't responding to you walking past, but actually consumed in their own life and perhaps also thinking that the look on your face is in response to them walking past.

It can give you a extreme feeling of freedom to do that to put all that focus outside yourself, to start seeing other people as something more than vessels that are there to feed or steal your feelings of self worth.


Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-12-12 04:20:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Malaclypse Muscaria
The vast majority of people are of an extroverted nature, and they are the outspoken ones after all, so it follows that social norms, rules of engagement and expectations don't cater to introverted people.

But there's absolutely nothing wrong with being introverted / shy / quiet / solitary. In fact, people of a similar nature will appreciate that in you.

I'm a very introverted and asocial weirdo. It's not just that I have an issue with voice comms, I even have an issue with text comms to a certain extent. It's hard to explain, and I won't even try to. I don't really understand it myself, but there it is. My lifestyle is pretty odd, but that's alright.

During the last half of my teens and first half of my twenties I had problems with depression and such, was on therapy and happy pills for a while. Until I said screw all this, quit the silly medication and the silly therapy, and went on a long solitary trip around Europe that started a big change inside me.

I came to terms with the way I am, and I've been happy and at peace since, living my life my own way, according to my own norms and values, not the way I may be expected to by other people, commonly accepted social norms, or whatever "standards" extroverted people came up with. When other people try to invite me to social gatherings, or ask me to hang out, or somesuch, I decline with a simple "I'm not social" and a smile.

No need to make excuses, or feel bad about it: everyone is different, that shouldn't be hard to understand. If someone has a problem with me declining their invitations to socialize, or act in a certain way, that's their own problem, not mine. Though I have to say that people have been much more understanding about this than I was expecting at first, at least as far as I'm aware of.

After all, socializing can greatly disturb my inner peace, drain me of all my vital energy, and fill my head with unwanted noise and feelings of dread, so I have to do this for my own well being. (not always though: interaction with certain rare individuals can feel good and rewarding).

It's a cliche, but very true nonetheless: once you fully embrace your own personal oddities and weirdness, live your life your own way, and stop thinking in terms of "disorders", or "what's wrong with me", and so on and so forth, you can finally be happy and at peace with yourself.

One thing I like about living in Asia is that random people in general are much more quiet than in the West: I hate it when I take a taxi in the West and the driver just won't shut up, and keeps trying to make smalltalk with me, even if I'm clearly not into it. In Asia usually I can simply zone out into my own thoughts and inner world, not say a word, and no one bothers me about it.
Nachtengel von Rothschild
#39 - 2013-12-12 04:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nachtengel von Rothschild
I actually have agoraphobia, been diagnosed by a family doctor, psychologists and psychiatrists... and nurses and doctors... been in hospitals a few times on the psych floor... i have more than just agoraphobia, but that is the "disorder" associated with this thread.

here is what i have on my notepad on my phone ( i txt people i don't ever call anyone ) in case i lose memory or someone asks why i am behaving oddly.

agoraphobia

symptoms
sweating
dry mouth
feeling of choking
discomfort
nausea (feel like vomitting)
dizzyness, light-headed
objects/surroundings feel unreal
fear of losing control, passing out
fear of dying (tunnels, bridges, height, ocean, flight)
numbness

places of avoidance or where i developed panic attacks or had a feeling of discomfort
airplanes, subways (underground), buses, trains, ships, elevators
theaters, cinemas, auditoriums, supermarkets, stadiums, museums
standing in lines
parties, social gatherings, crowds
restaurants, classrooms, offices
driving or riding in a car
walking outside, wide streets, high places, bridges, large rooms, tunnels

when i discovered the internet in 1996 or so, i felt great... because i can communicate with the world through text ( i can't do voice or webcam or i panic ) ... i don't socialize in real life but i don't mind chatting in video games or text... i just can't ever leave the house... pills don't work whatsoever... i failed school because of this, i've had 18 different jobs in 4 year span because of this... now i'm waiting for disability pension, because i just can't function outside of my room...

if anyone can find me a job online like data entry, i would do it... but haven't found any... so yes this is a serious disorder, its not a joke...

even if walmart had 0 people and doors were locked, i would crawl to a corner and eventually curl up into a ball, moving an entire isle covering sight of each side except the one i am facing.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#40 - 2013-12-12 12:26:30 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
because I said *something* at all.

say what's on your mind. let people know you for your thought processes.

it doesn't matter so much what you say, just say something.



FRATERNAL TWIN MIDGET STRIPPERS


I will also say that how you say it goes a long way as well.

Everything else Rain says is spot on.

Luckily, I have never had a problem saying what is on my mind. That being said people do tend to remember what I say because of how I say it. Due to this, I have to battle thought processes that make me worry about what people think about what I say.

I say what I mean and feel, so I need to be good with that. 'They' are responsible for their own reactions and feelings in response to me. I will admit also that I constantly have to remind myself, that because I tend to worry about what some people think of me, I can not let that compromise my ability to be 'me'.
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