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Getting 100k EHP ships?

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#21 - 2013-12-06 04:03:23 UTC
PAUL'S BACK!!!!!!!!

Train it to 5. All of it.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#22 - 2013-12-06 05:57:57 UTC
Getting 100,000 omni ehp out of an incursion battleship is quite easy.

A T2 damage control, a pair of T2 invuls, an EM ward amp, a T2 thermal rig and a T2 core field extender is enough to get a Nightmare to 101,000 omni ehp.

Three midslots, two rigs an one lowslot.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2013-12-06 18:05:32 UTC
Why are people still using T1 rigs on their T3s?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#24 - 2013-12-07 04:47:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Why are people still using T1 rigs on their T3s?



I tend to fit them to throw them away in pvp. But feel free to pimp the fit however you want.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-12-07 05:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
You dont get 100k ehp from t2 modules, you have to use low-end deadspace. Heres 200k ehp tengu, its about 1.5bil, only used in pulsars tho for 400k ehp with pulsar bonus. But, low dps.

(Legions are better, you can get 150k ehp and 700dps for 850mil - what we use for our home defence fleets, along with 120k ehp 1100dps proteuses)

[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-12-07 10:00:02 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
You dont get 100k ehp from t2 modules, you have to use low-end deadspace. Heres 200k ehp tengu, its about 1.5bil, only used in pulsars tho for 400k ehp with pulsar bonus. But, low dps.

(Legions are better, you can get 150k ehp and 700dps for 850mil - what we use for our home defence fleets, along with 120k ehp 1100dps proteuses)

[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer


thanks for the fits but considering I have only 420m ISK I think the tengu will have to sit in my hanger for a long time.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-12-10 13:35:18 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that.

On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k.

So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5?


I can tell what you are doing wrong.
The people you know are obv. not the smartest players in EVE.

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-12-10 14:02:52 UTC
Luwc wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that.

On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k.

So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5?


I can tell what you are doing wrong.
The people you know are obv. not the smartest players in EVE.


who says about getting info from people. I came up with the fitting myself and no-one in my corp can help since none of them can fly a tengu.
Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#29 - 2013-12-10 21:38:39 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I see loads of people saying that you need to be using 100k EHPs for tech 3 and BS to be able to do anything. Yet for me I can't seem to be able to do that.

On my tengu with subsystems at 3 with 2 invulnerable fields, 1 EM field, 1 medium shield extender 2 and a damage control 2 I can only seem to get about 40k EHPs. Yet I've seen very similar fittings that claim they can give EHP's of 70k.

So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5?


Generally speaking, you always want to use shield extenders one size too large for your ship.

Frigate> Medium
Cruiser/BC/BS > Large

The same of course holds true for armor, which have an "XL" armor plate in the 1600mm.

BS/BC> 1600mm
Cruisers>800m/1600mm (depending on pg)
Frigates> I assume 400m, but I don;t fly frigs enough to be sure.

Another way for ships to get large amounts of EHP is through the use of rigs. A Medium Core Defense Field Extender on most BC gives about the same bonus as an LSE IIRC, and they stack significantly better. resistance rigs can also be used to fill resistance holesthat are too small to bother with using a mid slot for.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#30 - 2013-12-10 21:47:15 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5?


Yes you are very much doing it wrong. And doing it right doesn't require many level 5 skills.

Medium shield extenders are fail and should not be fit to cruiser sized combat ships. Any shield extenders that go on a tengu need to be large ones.

You're probably losing a lot using only t1 hardeners/invulns.

subsystem skills at lvl 3 is very wrong. Your defensive subsystem skill especially should be maxed.

level 5 shield management.

doing all those things requires only two level 5 skills, one of which is rank 1, one of which is rank 2. Both of them together should be about 2 weeks of training at most, and you should already have shield management 5 if you're sitting in a tengu. T2 large shield extenders and t2 invulns only require two skills to be level 4.

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-12-10 22:53:36 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
So what am I doing wrong? Or can you only really achieve a 100k EHP by having all skills at 5?


Yes you are very much doing it wrong. And doing it right doesn't require many level 5 skills.

Medium shield extenders are fail and should not be fit to cruiser sized combat ships. Any shield extenders that go on a tengu need to be large ones.

You're probably losing a lot using only t1 hardeners/invulns.

subsystem skills at lvl 3 is very wrong. Your defensive subsystem skill especially should be maxed.

level 5 shield management.

doing all those things requires only two level 5 skills, one of which is rank 1, one of which is rank 2. Both of them together should be about 2 weeks of training at most, and you should already have shield management 5 if you're sitting in a tengu. T2 large shield extenders and t2 invulns only require two skills to be level 4.


I've got most shield items to tech 2 already, the problem is I can't fit a large shield extender in both terms of power grid and CPU. a
Admittedly I might be able to do something about that by training advanced weapon upgrades but the training for weapon upgrades five is 8 days and I want to use that time to get logistics instead.

Yes I'll probadly train all the subsystems to 4 and perhaps defence and offensive to 5 but not sure about the others.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-12-10 23:07:47 UTC
Do you have shield upgrades and AWU to 5 ? that's on top of the other support\fitting skills
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-12-10 23:15:44 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Do you have shield upgrades and AWU to 5 ? that's on top of the other support\fitting skills


Shield upgrade to 4, weapons upgrades to 4.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2013-12-10 23:25:19 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
Do you have shield upgrades and AWU to 5 ? that's on top of the other support\fitting skills


Shield upgrade to 4, weapons upgrades to 4.


So just weapon upgrades, or is that advanced weapon upgrades ? but training both those to 5 is well worth it, put them to 5 in whatever fitting tool you use and you might just make the fit.
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#35 - 2013-12-11 04:00:58 UTC
I can understand wanting to train something else.

But at this point unless you train some of the core fitting skills you are lacking your dreams of a tengu are just that....Considering CCP buffed T1 logi to the point they are useful you dont need to train logistics yet.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-12-11 09:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
I can understand wanting to train something else.

But at this point unless you train some of the core fitting skills you are lacking your dreams of a tengu are just that....Considering CCP buffed T1 logi to the point they are useful you dont need to train logistics yet.


yeah but incursion forces don't accept T1 logistics into their fleet. Its tech 2 or nothing. And as they don't accept any missiles ships nowadays training for logistics is the best way to get into some of that sweet incursion cash.
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#37 - 2013-12-11 09:26:14 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
I can understand wanting to train something else.

But at this point unless you train some of the core fitting skills you are lacking your dreams of a tengu are just that....Considering CCP buffed T1 logi to the point they are useful you dont need to train logistics yet.


yeah but incursion forces don't accept T1 logistics into their fleet. Its tech 2 or nothing. And as they don't accept any missiles ships nowadays training for logistics is the best way to get into some of that sweet incursion cash.



They dont accept anything at least logi 4. Most prefer you to have logi 5 by now. And again without the proper support skills you wont be able to fit the logi properly let alone rep with it.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-12-11 10:56:26 UTC
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
I can understand wanting to train something else.

But at this point unless you train some of the core fitting skills you are lacking your dreams of a tengu are just that....Considering CCP buffed T1 logi to the point they are useful you dont need to train logistics yet.


yeah but incursion forces don't accept T1 logistics into their fleet. Its tech 2 or nothing. And as they don't accept any missiles ships nowadays training for logistics is the best way to get into some of that sweet incursion cash.



They dont accept anything at least logi 4. Most prefer you to have logi 5 by now. And again without the proper support skills you wont be able to fit the logi properly let alone rep with it.


yes but 150m ISK an hour
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