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some questions about the MTU and the yellow wrecks
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Obione Stellate
Obione lv Stellate
#1 - 2013-12-11 09:21:51 UTC
Today I passed by a stargate and i saw a wreck of a freighter, there was 370km3 Oxygen isotopes in it. about 1B isk. but the wreck is yellow and a loki was there. so i cant pick up directly. then a good idea occured to me, I fly a rookie ship and drop a tritanium beside the wreck, i put the oxygen isotopes from the wreck to my container. and then i come back and just wait until the criminal countdown over. but when i went back, i found my containers disappeared, 300m oxgen TAT, all of them were missing....and i lost 2 rookie ships for looting the wreck.
so i wonder if i put the yellow wreck into my container, will my containers turned legal for everyone to pick up? or just someone loot them illegal and ran away,
and when i docked in the station, i'm still thinking abt how to loot those yellow wreck.
so if i launch a MTU for myself in the high sec, can other ppl attack it? and will the MTU be able to track the yellow wrecks and loot the items automaticlly?

rest in peace my rookie ship =A=
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2013-12-11 09:29:11 UTC
Yes, suspects can be freely looted, this prevents can baiting miners by stealing their **** and then dropping it in your own can to temp them into stealing back and flagging themselves for PVP.

Also yes, all of the new structures can be shot down freely in all security space, the depot, however will go into reinforced mode. Assuming that the depot survives the onlining process, a depot shot while onlining will not reinforce.

Also anyone shooting the new structure will become a suspect for doing so.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2013-12-11 09:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
If you take from someone elses can and put it in your own then anyone else can take it due to your suspect flag. It was part of the changes to can-flipping that came in with crimewatch 2.0.

CCP Masterplan wrote:
Stealing from a container will expose you to potential attacks from all players (but not from sentry guns). The existing rules for what constitutes 'legal access' to a container are the same (I am the owner of the container, I am in the corp registered to the container, I am in the fleet registered to the container, The container is Abandoned), but we are adding one additional rule: If I can legally attack the owner of a container, then I can legally take from the container.


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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-12-11 10:13:26 UTC
if you want to grab stuff like that, there is no way to avoid getting it and not suffering from the suspect bit.

The best way to do this, grab a large industrial, move so whatever you want to grab is in a line with a warpable location,
then grab it and quickly warp off before someone scrams your now suspect hauler.

Note that you can't grab stuff while in warp or preparing to warp, so you have to grab first, then warp.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#5 - 2013-12-11 10:14:57 UTC
Xearal wrote:


Note that you can't grab stuff while in warp or preparing to warp, so you have to grab first, then warp.



False

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Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-12-11 10:18:33 UTC
the best way is to have an alt.

your hauler goes to the wreck drops a can your alt takes from the wreck into another can. thenur hauler takes from that can .

as the can your hauler from was suspect you can take fromit freely on ur hauelr walla :)
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#7 - 2013-12-11 10:19:59 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Xearal wrote:


Note that you can't grab stuff while in warp or preparing to warp, so you have to grab first, then warp.



False


Sure?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#8 - 2013-12-11 10:22:59 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:



Sure?



100%

Ive done it many many times

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#9 - 2013-12-11 10:31:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
False


I think they changed that.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#10 - 2013-12-11 10:38:59 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
False


I think they changed that.


Within the last 48 hours?

If so then fair enough, but I can assure you that when I steal from wrecks, this is the mechanism I use

Boy will my face be red when I next try it if thats the case lol

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#11 - 2013-12-11 10:45:55 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Within the last 48 hours?

If so then fair enough, but I can assure you that when I steal from wrecks, this is the mechanism I use

Boy will my face be red when I next try it if thats the case lol


I don't know when they changed it or how but I tried it yesterday and the wreck wouldn't open while I was in warp. Had to cancel warp, loot and then warp again. I definitely remember this being possible before.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#12 - 2013-12-11 10:52:41 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Within the last 48 hours?

If so then fair enough, but I can assure you that when I steal from wrecks, this is the mechanism I use

Boy will my face be red when I next try it if thats the case lol


I don't know when they changed it or how but I tried it yesterday and the wreck wouldn't open while I was in warp. Had to cancel warp, loot and then warp again. I definitely remember this being possible before.


Sorry should have been clearer

The post I replied to mentioned "preparing to warp"

ie

align---->click "dock at.."----> open can/wreck---->hit "Loot All" when the speedo gets to 74%

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Obione Stellate
Obione lv Stellate
#13 - 2013-12-11 11:04:24 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
the best way is to have an alt.

your hauler goes to the wreck drops a can your alt takes from the wreck into another can. thenur hauler takes from that can .

as the can your hauler from was suspect you can take fromit freely on ur hauelr walla :)


oh, it seems a better wayLol
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#14 - 2013-12-11 11:25:42 UTC
Just grab it in whatever ship your flying and dock with the closest station for 15 minutes, suicidally charging a procurer towards a station with 20m of random stuff is always a blast

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Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#15 - 2013-12-11 13:14:16 UTC
whats the go with a mobile tractor unit from taking a yellow wreck and looting it but not becoming suspect in its own right?

I have heard ofthis happening, basically it allows for passive stealing with no penalty, but penalises anyone who shoots it in return? seems a little skewed and.. really odd.

If a person goes yellow for looting a yellow wreck, a player deployed object should, as well, for the same reason
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#16 - 2013-12-11 13:27:22 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
whats the go with a mobile tractor unit from taking a yellow wreck and looting it but not becoming suspect in its own right?

I have heard ofthis happening, basically it allows for passive stealing with no penalty, but penalises anyone who shoots it in return? seems a little skewed and.. really odd.

If a person goes yellow for looting a yellow wreck, a player deployed object should, as well, for the same reason


Tractor units dont tractor yellows

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#17 - 2013-12-11 13:35:19 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:
whats the go with a mobile tractor unit from taking a yellow wreck and looting it but not becoming suspect in its own right?

I have heard ofthis happening, basically it allows for passive stealing with no penalty, but penalises anyone who shoots it in return? seems a little skewed and.. really odd.

If a person goes yellow for looting a yellow wreck, a player deployed object should, as well, for the same reason


Tractor units dont tractor yellows


I was flying to meet with some incursion buddies who were sniping yellows in highsec recently, one of them killed a frigate that had a plex on board, the wreck was taken by a tractor unit and looted, my buddy then killed the unit trying to get the plex back but it didnt drop twice. He went suspect in the process of shooting it
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#18 - 2013-12-11 13:36:26 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:


I was flying to meet with some incursion buddies who were sniping yellows in highsec recently, one of them killed a frigate that had a plex on board, the wreck was taken by a tractor unit and looted, my buddy then killed the unit trying to get the plex back but it didnt drop twice. He went suspect in the process of shooting it


Then it glitched, bugged or exploited

If someone can tell me how to get a tractor unit to scoop yellows, please do tell

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#19 - 2013-12-11 15:31:48 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:
whats the go with a mobile tractor unit from taking a yellow wreck and looting it but not becoming suspect in its own right?

I have heard ofthis happening, basically it allows for passive stealing with no penalty, but penalises anyone who shoots it in return? seems a little skewed and.. really odd.

If a person goes yellow for looting a yellow wreck, a player deployed object should, as well, for the same reason


Tractor units dont tractor yellows


I was flying to meet with some incursion buddies who were sniping yellows in highsec recently, one of them killed a frigate that had a plex on board, the wreck was taken by a tractor unit and looted, my buddy then killed the unit trying to get the plex back but it didnt drop twice. He went suspect in the process of shooting it


Maybe the frigate was part of the same corp or fleet as the tractor unit or the frig pilot was already a suspect - just because it was yellow to you doesn't mean it was yellow to the tractor unit.