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THE END TO AFK MINING?

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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#61 - 2013-12-11 06:05:15 UTC
How do people even AFK mine? I mean if you do it right with a maxed out Hulk character and Orca support, by the time your strip miners have cycled your ore hold is either full and/or the asteroid you were mining is depleted.
Veronica Ice
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-12-11 06:32:01 UTC
I interpret AFK as "head up butt, gettin a beer , running 15 screens at once, etc. Is that the general attitude? If peeps r using macros that's different. If a person is stupid enough to send a mining barge into even a high sec belt with no human control they deserve to lose a ship or 3. Depends on how fast tbey learn.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#63 - 2013-12-11 06:49:08 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
How do people even AFK mine? I mean if you do it right with a maxed out Hulk character and Orca support, by the time your strip miners have cycled your ore hold is either full and/or the asteroid you were mining is depleted.

Probably using machinaws which have that large hold.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2013-12-11 06:56:51 UTC
Is there still much afk mining? I mean, yes the cargo hold of a mac is large but how long of "afk" do we even talk about?

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loco coco
#65 - 2013-12-11 07:04:59 UTC
There is literally no point you could make that proves that AFK mining is bad. It's their play style. Go play the game how you want to, but stop whining about others doing what they want.
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2013-12-11 07:12:21 UTC
a simple solution: disable auto cycle on strip mining lasers.

is that too difficult a concept for some? maybe I need to draw a graph or diagram?
loco coco
#67 - 2013-12-11 07:16:48 UTC
GetSirrus wrote:
a simple solution: disable auto cycle on strip mining lasers.

is that too difficult a concept for some? maybe I need to draw a graph or diagram?


It's not a necessary concept. Without miners mining as much as they do, mineral and ship prices will skyrocket.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2013-12-11 07:54:03 UTC
The solution to AFK miners is to play the game the way you want to play it, and not be concerned with whether another individual in the privacy of their own home chooses to actually put their posterior in front of a computer while mining, nor if they are looking at YouTube whilst doing so.

The biggest improvement to this game would be for the playerbase to realize that other people's playstyles is not a "problem" that needs to be "solved" so long as they don't break the rules CCP sets out.

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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#69 - 2013-12-11 08:09:20 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.


Confirmed the light bulb is off.

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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#70 - 2013-12-11 08:13:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vicky Somers wrote:
How do people even AFK mine? I mean if you do it right with a maxed out Hulk character and Orca support, by the time your strip miners have cycled your ore hold is either full and/or the asteroid you were mining is depleted.

Probably using machinaws which have that large hold.


Holy crap, I only just realized they totally buffed barges. No wonder they die so slowly to frigates. Honestly, if miners keep getting suicide ganked with these changes, they damn well deserve every bit of flak.
Oekynautti Jormatar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-12-11 08:50:28 UTC
AFK mining is the best because I can show off to my friends.

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Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-12-11 09:03:13 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I'd suggest next time, just replace the lightbulb.

Ganking is the solution to AFK mining. It brings tears and causes much harsher consequences to AFKing the game.

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butttttt , you can still gank those miners with that module , you are not gonna gank evry miner as it is now Lol

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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#73 - 2013-12-11 09:15:11 UTC
loco coco wrote:
There is literally no point you could make that proves that AFK mining is bad. It's their play style. Go play the game how you want to, but stop whining about others doing what they want.



Comments like this one make me sad. Sad

CCP does not provide content in EVE. All content in New Eden is generated by the players - p.g.c.

An afk miner who is not actively engaged in providing that content "is" less-valuable to pgc than one who isn't. The quality of the game is adversely affected by encouraging afk behavior. It isn't theoretical. It is demonstrable. If EVE were a living system and you wanted to improve her health (pgc,) you would work to limit afk activities and increase player fluidity and interaction. Nothing contributes more to pgc than player interaction.

I don't agree with the OP because I think the limited size of ore holds has made this issue largely moot. Anyone who doesn't think so probably hasn't tried to dual box even two hulks with their new 8500m3 ore bays. With an orca boost they cannot store 2 cycles of ore so anyone piloting a hulk literally - cannot - afk mine. And if they're using procurers 12000m3, that's barely more than 2 cycles, so those guys stop earning isk in about 4 minutes of afk behavior.

The worst afk culprits (potentially) right now would be ice miners or any sort of solo retriever/mackinaw setup.

It is at least noteworthy that the easiest mining barges to gank (covetors/hulks) are also the least-likely to be afk mining. I'm not sure if that is working as intended.

But it's ridiculous to suggest that afk behavior "isn't bad." It's certainly not something we should encourage if we care about the quality of pgc in EVE.

YK
Josef Djugashvilis
#74 - 2013-12-11 09:19:26 UTC
GetSirrus wrote:
a simple solution: disable auto cycle on strip mining lasers.

is that too difficult a concept for some? maybe I need to draw a graph or diagram?


Graph and diagram please.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#75 - 2013-12-11 10:48:50 UTC
People wont complain about AFK miners

If AFK miners didnt complain

About being killed

Pilot Les Wynan

Needs to do more mining

And Les Wynan

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Minmatar Citizen 12903201
Chief Spice
#76 - 2013-12-11 10:50:41 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.


Nobody would ever be clever enough to rig up something to press the F1 button after [x] duration of time.


Botting is illegal.


and punishable by life in prison
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#77 - 2013-12-11 10:55:08 UTC
There is no such thing as afk mining. At least not in a barge or exhumer. You run out of cargo in a few minutes or your roid dies. The problem is botting, not somebody taking a 5 minute break while the strip miners keep on working.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#78 - 2013-12-11 10:55:26 UTC
Minmatar Citizen 12903201 wrote:


and punishable by life in prison


Where ironically an awful lot of "botting" goes on

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Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
#79 - 2013-12-11 11:00:43 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Brilliant...then they can implement that same idea on afk cloakers. You sir are genius


and also for booster ?

there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it !

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Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-12-11 11:23:41 UTC
afk online

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