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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#1 - 2013-12-10 22:30:14 UTC
Ripard Teg, Vice-Chairman CSM8, nailed it right on the head in his blog post
We as customers should know what to expect from CCP when it concerns high decree acts.

To quote Ripard Teg:

Quote:
The transparency/consistency issue does remain. CCP's most recent annual stockholder briefing book includes the following text about one of their cornerstone principles, transparency:

We earn trust through honesty and openness. We are open-minded and respectful of our customers and co-workers. We confront problems directly and discuss issues in a straightforward manner.

Like many corporate mission statements, these are words that often have a lot more to do with CCP's actions in an ideal world as opposed to the real one. As players remind CCP again and again, actions speak louder than words.


With the recent ToS / Eula issue about interpersonating others, the issue about TRANSPARANCY still stands:


Quote:
Every general norm like the ToS rules has to be interpreted on a case by case basis.

In real life after a few hundred years most democratic constitutional states got these interpretation procedures written down.

So the general public knows what to expect, and these interpretation procedures are not like written law (like the ToS in eve).

These interpretation procedures are called Custom in law, which are the established pattern of behavior that can be objectively
verified within a particular social setting (in our case: within the New Eden Universe)

As a small part of the eve general public I want to know the GM's interpretation procedures,

to further my consumer rights towards CCP games.

Since a CCP banning is a high decree act, we as their customers should have high decree of transparency.

PS: at the minimum give the CSM these GM interpretation procedures concerning the ToS since they have signed the NDA


source:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3637147#post3637147


Hope Ripard Teg will get some answers even if it is covered by NDA, and won't be shared.
Please do keep us up-to-date IF or WHEN you get any answers from CCP.

PS: So far the GM staff have been profession, timely, often helpful to me Cool
This post is about transparency rules not against the GM staff.

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-12-11 04:15:04 UTC
So you want to know why a company not known for transparency isn't being more transparent, and your solution is to lobby a group of people whose entire value has become dependent on special access granted to them by said company? Access that they would otherwise have no right to?

I can't see how this could possibly go wrong!

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-12-11 06:02:08 UTC
Is this about shirts for female avatars?

dirty perv

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#4 - 2013-12-19 09:26:36 UTC
Custom in Law is how lawyers make their money arguing based on this or that case. And actually adds extra layers to the rules.
Signal11th
#5 - 2014-02-10 16:36:54 UTC
it's all clear now.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#6 - 2014-02-10 20:37:47 UTC
Ripard Teg is a ********, you have to take that into consideration when you read is blogs.

The Tears Must Flow

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2014-02-10 22:25:49 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:
Ripard Teg, Vice-Chairman CSM8, nailed it right on the head in his blog post
We as customers should know what to expect from CCP when it concerns high decree acts.

To quote Ripard Teg:

Quote:
The transparency/consistency issue does remain. CCP's most recent annual stockholder briefing book includes the following text about one of their cornerstone principles, transparency:

We earn trust through honesty and openness. We are open-minded and respectful of our customers and co-workers. We confront problems directly and discuss issues in a straightforward manner.

Like many corporate mission statements, these are words that often have a lot more to do with CCP's actions in an ideal world as opposed to the real one. As players remind CCP again and again, actions speak louder than words.


With the recent ToS / Eula issue about interpersonating others, the issue about TRANSPARANCY still stands:


Quote:
Every general norm like the ToS rules has to be interpreted on a case by case basis.

In real life after a few hundred years most democratic constitutional states got these interpretation procedures written down.

So the general public knows what to expect, and these interpretation procedures are not like written law (like the ToS in eve).

These interpretation procedures are called Custom in law, which are the established pattern of behavior that can be objectively
verified within a particular social setting (in our case: within the New Eden Universe)

As a small part of the eve general public I want to know the GM's interpretation procedures,

to further my consumer rights towards CCP games.

Since a CCP banning is a high decree act, we as their customers should have high decree of transparency.

PS: at the minimum give the CSM these GM interpretation procedures concerning the ToS since they have signed the NDA


source:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3637147#post3637147


Hope Ripard Teg will get some answers even if it is covered by NDA, and won't be shared.
Please do keep us up-to-date IF or WHEN you get any answers from CCP.

PS: So far the GM staff have been profession, timely, often helpful to me Cool
This post is about transparency rules not against the GM staff.



Actually, we did have a pretty thorough session with a senior GM and an IA representative, and the discussion got... quite heated.

Come to think of it the summary of what they told us probably isn't even NDA. However I'm not going to tell you it unless you can prove to me that you understand the difference between "decree" and "degree".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#8 - 2014-02-12 15:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Freelancer117
Malcanis wrote:

Actually, we did have a pretty thorough session with a senior GM and an IA representative, and the discussion got... quite heated.

Come to think of it the summary of what they told us probably isn't even NDA. However I'm not going to tell you it unless you can prove to me that you understand the difference between "decree" and "degree".


Sorry about that, something got lost in the translation, using the right wording is often important like like **** vs crap vs kaka.

Edit: hope to see that session in the winter summit minutes, if not NDA-ed, anyone else who gives a crap, or kaka, ARG OH ****
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree)

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#9 - 2014-03-31 22:14:52 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4405525#post4405525

CCP Falcon wrote:


CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.



Still waiting on Malcanis summary of what they told the CSM, that probably isn't even NDA, concerning Transparancy with that thorough session with a senior GM and an IA representative Cool

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF