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CCP Favoring multiple accounts screws the Soloist.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#41 - 2013-12-10 21:46:10 UTC
CCP, as a company that runs an MMO, would be remiss in not creating content that required teamwork to accomplish goals. Whether a team of players or a team of alts is beside the point. That's just the way of the world.

That said, there is plenty to do in this game for the solo player. I bet you could go for years changing professions once a month and still not run out of things to do solo.

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Brian Beldrulf
#42 - 2013-12-10 21:51:00 UTC
Foodpimp wrote:
You have no real interest in the "integrity" of the game, but rather want it fashioned to maximize your method of play. I can understand that, but it's at odds with the main purpose of CCP's existence. If you had the capacity or desire to play with multiple accounts, I doubt you would have even responded to this topic.


Exactly. From the perspective of the single account. solo player, things do seem "unbalanced" when people bring multiple accounts and/or friends into the mixture... and i say that as a solo, single account player mind you... but i don't expect the game to cater to my play style. I understand the odds are stacked against me. Asking CCP to change the game to cater to the solo player is... well there is nothing nice i can type next lol...

Either deal with the extra challenges of being a solo'ist in a multiplayer game, quit, or join a corp / get yourself a second account.
Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-12-10 21:56:49 UTC
Miasmos wrote:
The niche of single boxing should not be catered to. EVE is about 1) social engineering, connections and "friends" 2) ability to multitask. Of course the pilot with better multiboxing capability should win, because the competitive aspect of EVE is in how many clients you can operate.

First?


It is a video game designed to make money, period.

I find it a bit sad that it causes people to believe they need to multibox.

However, it does not bother me. If people want more than one account, more power to them. It is their dollar.

Seems like some people consider one person multiboxing, to be different than a group of people playing together. It's pretty much the same thing. You solo and come across a group, you are usually going to lose. Probably have a better chance fighting a multiboxer, rather than a group of people anyway.

So, that being said. I'm not sure what the op is angry about. Big smile

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#44 - 2013-12-10 21:59:10 UTC
Not everyone has a handful of eager rookies around to handle stuff like scouting, hauling, boosting, salvaging. If my brain and my computer and my wallet can support two accounts, and a second account allows me to get marginally more fun by expanding the goals I can reasonable pursue on my own schedule, then why shouldn't I?

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-12-11 00:17:54 UTC
First rule of gunfighting: bring a gun; and all your friends with guns and their friends too.

E-honor is a terrible thing to impose on yourself when you are powerless to impose it on any other.

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Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-12-11 00:22:23 UTC
Although I feel your pain in that allowing multiple accounts and dual boxing has made a few features that could be fun, obsolete.
However, I don't think CCP has any intention in stopping a feature that's making them more money.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#47 - 2013-12-11 00:25:52 UTC
Miasmos wrote:
The niche of single boxing should not be catered to. EVE is about 1) social engineering, connections and "friends" 2) ability to multitask. Of course the pilot with better multiboxing capability should win, because the competitive aspect of EVE is in how many clients you can operate.


Except that multiboxing is doing exactly that - catering to solo play instead of teamwork, via giving all of the advantages of being in a team to solo players, so long as they're are willing to throw more money at CCP than the rest of us.

Social engineering? Friends? Fleets? Who needs that when you can just wave cash in CCPs face and be able to get all the perks without any further effort?

It's kinda sad, really.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2013-12-11 00:33:35 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Try reading his post again I think he explained how he feels they are being favored.
Try reading my post again. Nothing in his OP has anything to do with alts, much less multiples of them. It has to do with him being outnumbered.

So I'm asking: how is CCP favouring multiple alts? It's a very simple question…
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#49 - 2013-12-11 00:44:08 UTC
Cyber SGB wrote:
Miasmos wrote:
The niche of single boxing should not be catered to. EVE is about 1) social engineering, connections and "friends" 2) ability to multitask. Of course the pilot with better multiboxing capability should win, because the competitive aspect of EVE is in how many clients you can operate.

First?


It is a video game designed to make money, period.

I find it a bit sad that it causes people to believe they need to multibox.

However, it does not bother me. If people want more than one account, more power to them. It is their dollar.

Seems like some people consider one person multiboxing, to be different than a group of people playing together. It's pretty much the same thing. You solo and come across a group, you are usually going to lose. Probably have a better chance fighting a multiboxer, rather than a group of people anyway.

So, that being said. I'm not sure what the op is angry about. Big smile


Imagine a group of multiboxers, all assigning their drones to the fc

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#50 - 2013-12-11 01:26:11 UTC
TL;DR:

Special snowflakes think that 1 should be >2.

I'm really starting to develop the "screw solo players" mindset, just because they seem very entitled to change the game to show off how leet they think they are. That, or they're inveterate whiners.

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Foodpimp
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-12-11 02:08:56 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Cyber SGB wrote:
Miasmos wrote:
The niche of single boxing should not be catered to. EVE is about 1) social engineering, connections and "friends" 2) ability to multitask. Of course the pilot with better multiboxing capability should win, because the competitive aspect of EVE is in how many clients you can operate.

First?


It is a video game designed to make money, period.

I find it a bit sad that it causes people to believe they need to multibox.

However, it does not bother me. If people want more than one account, more power to them. It is their dollar.

Seems like some people consider one person multiboxing, to be different than a group of people playing together. It's pretty much the same thing. You solo and come across a group, you are usually going to lose. Probably have a better chance fighting a multiboxer, rather than a group of people anyway.

So, that being said. I'm not sure what the op is angry about. Big smile


Imagine a group of multiboxers, all assigning their drones to the fc


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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#52 - 2013-12-11 02:22:46 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Except that multiboxing is doing exactly that - catering to solo play instead of teamwork, via giving all of the advantages of being in a team to solo players, so long as they're are willing to throw more money at CCP than the rest of us.
Just as people who have more time to play get all the advantages of being in-game longer, and they don't even have to throw any money at CCP.

Obviously to be fair EVE should be limited to 1 account per player and a certain number of hours played per month.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Social engineering? Friends? Fleets? Who needs that when you can just wave cash in CCPs face and be able to get all the perks without any further effort?
Yes, because running two characters at once is no more effort than running one, right?

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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-12-11 02:40:46 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Arline Kley wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Anyone with more than one account is an addict anyway, consider yourself lucky...


You're not addicted Chribba.


You've just merged with the machine to the point that you're almost at a Sleeper Level :3

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Philo Beto
#54 - 2013-12-11 02:42:11 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
Delicious.

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Tekla Rousseau
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#55 - 2013-12-11 02:50:10 UTC
I managed to read all I needed to by the end of 2nd page...

Not every multiboxer is all PvP btw

Most people who multibox have a combat pilot, miner and some thing other...
The reason why people do this is because it would take forever plus a day to train up one character that can fly hulks + Orcas / hauler + w/e combat ships you have all the mastery with...

IMHO multiboxing pvp would be tricky making it not the best option for your average person Blink
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#56 - 2013-12-11 02:59:52 UTC
Anyone who argues against the use of multiple accounts gets cyno-lighting duties.

Who put the goat in there?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#57 - 2013-12-11 03:07:56 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Anyone who argues against the use of multiple accounts gets cyno-lighting duties.


But...my isk/hour....
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-12-11 06:19:58 UTC
Whim Aqayn wrote:
OP is right. Solo PvP was already hard without people running alts and rightly so. This is a team game and should remain so. But if one player can't compete with another player because that player chooses to pay more money then something is clearly wrong.


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Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#59 - 2013-12-11 08:38:39 UTC
Multiboxing and groups of people flying together is functionally identical, so you're basically saying 'nerf group PvP so I can solo'.

Solo is deliberately tying your hand behind your back and fighting against the odds- it's very rewarding to watch those who can succeed do so, but also the tears from the people who fail and feel that the game needs rebalancing to enable them to succeed are delicious.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-12-11 09:06:04 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Title.

Stop favoring multiple alts.

It's impossible to PvP successfully when everyone i fight has an arty thrasher alt, or links, or falcon alts, or cloaky alts, or ______ alt in a hawk, or sniper talos, or any other horse **** where 1 ship is designed to do X, while the 2nd ship is designed to do Y. X and Y = **** for the soloist. Since this game is, truly, based on PvP, this is problematic for a lot of us.

The advantages are staggering. No I'm not turning this game into a cable bill. And no, I can't always play when my friends play.


Funny that someone with the ability to be in 2, 3, 4, or 5 places at once has an advantage over those who are stuck in one.


in wich place you solo?

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