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THE END TO AFK MINING?

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Casanunda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-12-10 22:38:47 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:

I can empty a system and keep it empty while AFK in null. No explosions, glorious or otherwise. Just quietly cloaked.

Not particularly high brow PvP, but it's still PvP. If you accept that as a mechanic, and plenty do, then there is nothing wrong with being AFK in a belt.

Mr Epeen Cool
Never said there was P AFK cloaking is a valid playstyle, the only people that make a hoohah about it are the ones that dock or POS up because they're afraid of someone that may or may not be there. Likewise AFK mining is a valid playstyle, but the people who do it have to accept the risk of someone removing their ship and occasionally relocating their clone for them.

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Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#42 - 2013-12-10 22:39:05 UTC
Pheota Sansu wrote:
I am in no way defending afk miners, I dont do it myself, on the rare occasions I do mine I am at the screen. But what all these people dont realise is that if all the miners stopped mining, like so many people seem to want, where would the minerals for your ships come from? Reprocessing scrap only gives so much.


I keep hearing this but hisec is only a source of trit pyerite mexallon isogen. Your nocxium megacyte n zyd are from low n null. Or repro'd mission loot. Read a thread years ago citing stats that most value of mins comes from repro mission loot. Bulk of the low price stuff is mined, but bulk of the valuable stuff is repro'd or shipped in from null.
No i don't have graphs but would love to see some, mining in hisec is terrible money even if boosted and maxed out.


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Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-12-10 22:47:14 UTC
they can remove afk mnining when they remove afk cloaking and easymode pvp, k?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#44 - 2013-12-10 22:48:52 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
they can remove afk mnining when they remove afk cloaking and easymode pvp, k?


What is "easymode pvp"?

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-12-10 23:49:05 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.


Yes your lighbulb clearly went OFF.

When it goes on, post something thats a 3 year old can't get around.

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2013-12-10 23:51:15 UTC
Remind me why AFK mining is wrong and gate camps arent?
They both wait for a light cycle to finish then get goodies.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#47 - 2013-12-10 23:57:10 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.


Nobody would ever be clever enough to rig up something to press the F1 button after [x] duration of time.


Botting is illegal.


Boting is software, having a mechanical device press the key isn't.

"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

I think having a device press a key for you every 61 seconds would not be considered ordinary Game play.

I also think that CCP would never ever implement something like this. If CCP had an issue with AFK game play they never would have added the autopilot.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#48 - 2013-12-10 23:59:52 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.


Yes your lighbulb clearly went OFF.

When it goes on, post something thats a 3 year old can't get around.


You're the only one who caught that!

+1 to you sir!

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#49 - 2013-12-11 00:08:00 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Pheota Sansu wrote:
I am in no way defending afk miners, I dont do it myself, on the rare occasions I do mine I am at the screen. But what all these people dont realise is that if all the miners stopped mining, like so many people seem to want, where would the minerals for your ships come from? Reprocessing scrap only gives so much.


I keep hearing this but hisec is only a source of trit pyerite mexallon isogen. Your nocxium megacyte n zyd are from low n null. Or repro'd mission loot. Read a thread years ago citing stats that most value of mins comes from repro mission loot. Bulk of the low price stuff is mined, but bulk of the valuable stuff is repro'd or shipped in from null.
No i don't have graphs but would love to see some, mining in hisec is terrible money even if boosted and maxed out.

Nocx also comes from Pyerite, which is in High sec. Also in high sec you can sometimes get the J and H ores that produce Zydrene. So in fact only Megacyte and Morphite require low or 0.0. Also CCP changed the loot drops so these days most minerals come from mining. A few years ago you were right, loot did produce alot on minerals. But those days are gone.

But that's not the point: If all mining stopped it would also stop in Null. That's what "All" means. Under that case we would have a severe mineral shortage. I'm sure if everyone did missions for reprocessed loot we could keep things going at some level. But that's just mining in a different way. Why would it be better?

Also if AFK mining is bad, its also bad in Null.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#50 - 2013-12-11 00:29:27 UTC
To end afk mining

*Increase Dps of rat like sentries of gate ( more dps every cycle)

*Remove Aggressive mode of drones.

*Make Asteroids orbiting something ... like in real universe so you have to run after your "Precious".

An in counter part increase concord response. to almost instant in high sec.

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#51 - 2013-12-11 00:36:09 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Botting is illegal.


Which is why all those Falcons camped on every nullsec entry gate on the map is manned by wide awake human beings 23/7 all year round, right?

Puhleeze. You're not fooling anyone.

The reality is the nullbears only hate certain bots - namely, the one's that hisec miners use. Their own bots, well, those are sacrosanct. We certainly can't get rid of those, EvE would implode!

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#52 - 2013-12-11 00:41:49 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Botting is illegal.

Which is why all those Falcons camped on every nullsec entry gate on the map is manned by wide awake human beings 23/7 all year round, right?

Puhleeze. You're not fooling anyone.

Falcons camped on every nullsec entry gate on the map?

Puhleeze. You're not fooling anyone.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-12-11 00:54:12 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.


Nobody would ever be clever enough to rig up something to press the F1 button after [x] duration of time.


Botting is illegal.


Boting is software, having a mechanical device press the key isn't.

"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

I think having a device press a key for you every 61 seconds would not be considered ordinary Game play.

I also think that CCP would never ever implement something like this. If CCP had an issue with AFK game play they never would have added the autopilot.


It's not a macro, stored keystroke or a pattern of play, it's an engineering device. I can totally use a water fountain that has a bamboo stick filling up and moving down as the weight of water is too much and then spring back up just press F1 in my keyboard. For all we know, it will fail once in a blue moon making it look even less like a bot than most ADHD human would be if they mined at the keyboard.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#54 - 2013-12-11 01:44:12 UTC
What exactly is wrong with AFK mining? They have to return to the keyboard in order to continue their activity and they run a higher risk of getting ganked.

Also, I'll quote someone from CCP on this very subject.
CCP Sreegs wrote:
If you are aware of a way for miners to mine AFK with no third party programs 24 hours a day without being at their machines and managing cargo then I'm all ears.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#55 - 2013-12-11 01:54:41 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Botting is illegal.


Which is why all those Falcons camped on every nullsec entry gate on the map is manned by wide awake human beings 23/7 all year round, right?

Puhleeze. You're not fooling anyone.

The reality is the nullbears only hate certain bots - namely, the one's that hisec miners use. Their own bots, well, those are sacrosanct. We certainly can't get rid of those, EvE would implode!


Whaaaaaa...
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#56 - 2013-12-11 01:58:33 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Whaaaaaa...


Yeah, that one surprised even me.

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James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#57 - 2013-12-11 03:11:48 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Which miner got on your bad side for you to go through all of this trouble to try and regulate how we do our mining? Do you need a hug?

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#58 - 2013-12-11 03:24:44 UTC
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Which miner got on your bad side for you to go through all of this trouble to try and regulate how we do our mining? Do you need a hug?


Hey where do you mine I'll come join you.

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James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#59 - 2013-12-11 05:00:28 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Which miner got on your bad side for you to go through all of this trouble to try and regulate how we do our mining? Do you need a hug?


Hey where do you mine I'll come join you.

Ranielles

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-12-11 05:06:23 UTC
GUYS I HAD THE PERFECT IDEA TO ELIMINATE AFK MINING
WHAT IF MINING BARGES/EXHUMERS ORE BAYS WERE LIMITED TO SOME FINITE AMOUNT

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