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SOE hubs just became war zones?
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-10 22:22:45 UTC
It looks like someone's ganking SOE mission runners in each of the hubs. A group of destroyers bounces out, then a dozen local chat icons turn blinking red. So if someone was wanting PVP excitement in high-sec space, it's here now. PVE-centric players ... well, we'll have to see if CCP gets worried about the casual players unsubbing too quickly for their financial comfort.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2013-12-10 22:26:10 UTC
This is just another example of the risk-reward dynamic within the metagame. The risks are being faced with suicide gankers, but the reward is access to ships classified as pirate faction ships while remaining in the relative safety of hisec.

Be glad these things are even available in the SOE store. I was fully expecting CCP to implement the new ships in only the nullsec LP stores. If the threat of suicide gankers really bothers people that much, they can head over to The Sanctuary out in nullsec and mission for them.

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Casanunda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-12-10 22:27:27 UTC
It's a PvP game, why are people so shocked when PvP happens to them?

Mission running is a form of PvP, all those SoE LP that the missioners are hoarding eventually gets turned into stuff that can be sold on the market, removing some of the competition from that market segment makes sense.

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Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2013-12-10 22:28:35 UTC
Not sure where you have been but this has been happening since they announced the new SOE ships. It hardly just became a warzone. Roll

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2013-12-10 22:31:13 UTC
welcome to 2-3 months ago. The SOE mission locations have been like this for awhile from what I've heard.

Its not like ganking blinged mission ships in trade hubs is new at all.

Or that there aren't hundreds of other places to go mission in your 5bn isk mission running ship where it won't get scanned a single time EVER.

meanwhile OP is babbling about people unsubbing. Get a clue, fool.

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Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#6 - 2013-12-10 22:31:25 UTC
Also, more kills means more isk value for SoE LPs which in turn benefits PvEers.

Really, it's only risk vs reward.

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-12-10 22:32:08 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
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Be glad these things are even available in the SOE store. I was fully expecting CCP to implement the new ships in only the nullsec LP stores. If the threat of suicide gankers really bothers people that much, they can head over to The Sanctuary out in nullsec and mission for them.


I'm actually there right now have been since before the patch. Logged on one day to see crowds comingh and going, doin them missions.
Not a lot of ganking going on, could be because the risk here is, oh i don't know, actually there.
Plus it is a bit of a drive, logistics wise, getting your gank catas out from torrinos, let's face it, a lot of hisec gankers are just that, hisec gankers.

TLDR: Lotta mission runners out here guys, come n get em.

Yeah right.


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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#8 - 2013-12-10 22:32:47 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
It looks like someone's ganking SOE mission runners in each of the hubs. A group of destroyers bounces out, then a dozen local chat icons turn blinking red. So if someone was wanting PVP excitement in high-sec space, it's here now. PVE-centric players ... well, we'll have to see if CCP gets worried about the casual players unsubbing too quickly for their financial comfort.


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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#9 - 2013-12-10 22:56:08 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
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Be glad these things are even available in the SOE store. I was fully expecting CCP to implement the new ships in only the nullsec LP stores. If the threat of suicide gankers really bothers people that much, they can head over to The Sanctuary out in nullsec and mission for them.


I'm actually there right now have been since before the patch. Logged on one day to see crowds comingh and going, doin them missions.
Not a lot of ganking going on, could be because the risk here is, oh i don't know, actually there.
Plus it is a bit of a drive, logistics wise, getting your gank catas out from torrinos, let's face it, a lot of hisec gankers are just that, hisec gankers.

TLDR: Lotta mission runners out here guys, come n get em.

Yeah right.





What your observation proves is that highsec gankers may say they are all about PVP and "risk" but they dare not risk being on the receiving end of a gank. I was amazed to find things actually civil in ROIR-Y. It does not mean nothing ever happens "out there", it's just that everybody is alert and so the ganks won't come easy.

And nobody is going to sit outside an NPC nullsec station with destroyers for a long time unless they want to get "SB Bowled".

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#10 - 2013-12-10 23:00:57 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
highsec gankers may say they are all about PVP and "risk" but they dare not risk being on the receiving end of a gank.


We make the risk. We are the risk.

It just stands to reason that people who are all about risk will understand how to take measures to mitigate risk as well.

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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-10 23:05:12 UTC
Batelle wrote:
welcome to 2-3 months ago. The SOE mission locations have been like this for awhile from what I've heard.

Its not like ganking blinged mission ships in trade hubs is new at all.

Or that there aren't hundreds of other places to go mission in your 5bn isk mission running ship where it won't get scanned a single time EVER.

meanwhile OP is babbling about people unsubbing. Get a clue, fool.



Hmmm ... lots of stuff here.

"welcome to 2-3 months ago. The SOE mission locations have been like this for awhile from what I've heard." - Yes, true


"Its not like ganking blinged mission ships in trade hubs is new at all. Or that there aren't hundreds of other places to go mission in your 5bn isk mission running ship where it won't get scanned a single time EVER." - also true, most of my missioning has been in such places.

"meanwhile OP is babbling about people unsubbing. Get a clue, fool." --- and this is where the 'forum warrior' swings his sword to cleanse the world of all opinion and thought that does not align with the ONE TRUE --- something. Mock those heretical thoughts and keep the heretic from speaking through fear of harsh language! Yes, it is a PVP game, but it still needs money to keep the game going. I don't know if CCP publishes the subscription stats anymore (or if they stopped before Incarna-geddon), so I can only speculate, even if my speculation isn't 'approved of by forum warrior standards'.

2 useful items, one 'is this necessary or just a sign of emotional problems' item. You're still winning 2 - 1, though! On with the thread!
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-12-10 23:07:22 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
...
Be glad these things are even available in the SOE store. I was fully expecting CCP to implement the new ships in only the nullsec LP stores. If the threat of suicide gankers really bothers people that much, they can head over to The Sanctuary out in nullsec and mission for them.


I'm actually there right now have been since before the patch. Logged on one day to see crowds comingh and going, doin them missions.
Not a lot of ganking going on, could be because the risk here is, oh i don't know, actually there.
Plus it is a bit of a drive, logistics wise, getting your gank catas out from torrinos, let's face it, a lot of hisec gankers are just that, hisec gankers.

TLDR: Lotta mission runners out here guys, come n get em.

Yeah right.





What your observation proves is that highsec gankers may say they are all about PVP and "risk" but they dare not risk being on the receiving end of a gank. I was amazed to find things actually civil in ROIR-Y. It does not mean nothing ever happens "out there", it's just that everybody is alert and so the ganks won't come easy.

And nobody is going to sit outside an NPC nullsec station with destroyers for a long time unless they want to get "SB Bowled".



Someone had mentioned that this batch is from a group that was in the Drone regions, but was pushed out?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#13 - 2013-12-10 23:09:13 UTC
People aren't gonna quit EVE just because they lost a ship. Really now.

I ran a recruitment scam and took literally the entire list of assets from over a dozen people. Out of all of them, only 1 guy quit the game.

Ever heard of Erotica 1? Out of all the people who fail the bonus round... only a couple have quit.

People are a lot more resilient than you are. If people can carry on after losing everything, sure they can carry on after losing 1 thing.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#14 - 2013-12-10 23:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Xuixien wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
highsec gankers may say they are all about PVP and "risk" but they dare not risk being on the receiving end of a gank.


We make the risk. We are the risk.

It just stands to reason that people who are all about risk will understand how to take measures to mitigate risk as well.



All well and good. The best gankers are the ones who say "I log in just to kill you". My problem is the people who coyly try to confuse the sandbox with their personal litterbox and then pretend they are innocent. All they do is give the game the same kind of underwear smell that used to emanate from the big kid in the schoolyard that tries to shake everybody down for lunch money.

The OP misses the point, but it's clearly easy to figure out: risk and combat in a PVP game are one thing, babysitting somebody's Ritalin-wreck is another, and most people given a "choice" not to "have to put up with certain kinds of people" will not stick around. And it does not matter if it's a dysfunctional workplace, a club, a babysitting gig, or even their own families. And yes, even in a GAME - given a choice, they will not stick around to put up with certain kinds of people.

When people say "make all space like nullsec" not all of them are people looking for free ganks. Most of them want to get rid of that certain kind of person.

Security in highsec mission hubs is not difficult though. I don't see what the problem is. Mission runners being harassed? It used to be much worse. I remember TEARS and how being able to "blue the wrecks" was one of the biggest griefing moves ever perpetrated on a playstyle by a game company.

Now the question is: "Did someobody undock an untanked SoE ship?". C'mon let's be honest. Harrassing mission runners is nothing new actually. I think somebody undocked an SoE ship without a tank.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#15 - 2013-12-10 23:27:07 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
highsec gankers may say they are all about PVP and "risk" but they dare not risk being on the receiving end of a gank.


We make the risk. We are the risk.

It just stands to reason that people who are all about risk will understand how to take measures to mitigate risk as well.



All well and good. The best gankers are the ones who say "I log in just to kill you". My problem is the people who coyly try to confuse the sandbox with their personal litterbox and then pretend they are innocent. All they do is give the game the same kind of underwear smell that used to emanate from the big kid in the schoolyard that tries to shake everybody down for lunch money.

The OP misses the point, but it's clearly easy to figure out: risk and combat in a PVP game are one thing, babysitting somebody's Ritalin-wreck is another, and most people given a "choice" not to "have to put up with certain kinds of people" will not stick around. And it does not matter if it's a dysfunctional workplace, a club, a babysitting gig, or even their own families. And yes, even in a GAME - given a choice, they will not stick around to put up with certain kinds of people.

When people say "make all space like nullsec" not all of them are people looking for free ganks. Most of them want to get rid of that certain kind of person.

Security in highsec mission hubs is not difficult though. I don't see what the problem is. Mission runners being harassed? It used to be much worse. I remember TEARS and how being able to "blue the wrecks" was one of the biggest griefing moves ever perpetrated on a playstyle by a game company.

Now the question is: "Did someobody undock an untanked SoE ship?". C'mon let's be honest. Harrassing mission runners is nothing new actually. I think somebody undocked an SoE ship without a tank.


I'm not sure what you're talking about, but clearly you take this game waaaay serious.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-12-10 23:37:43 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:


"meanwhile OP is babbling about people unsubbing. Get a clue, fool." --- and this is where the 'forum warrior' swings his sword to cleanse the world of all opinion and thought that does not align with the ONE TRUE --- something.!


Nonsensical concern-trolling isn't really an opinion, and it sure as **** shouldn't be mistaken for thought.

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-12-10 23:40:56 UTC
The only solution would be to limit once active client per computer.
Then you dont have to worry about multiboxing.
Of course smart people will already smile at this knowing the truth and how to get around it.
The good news is this removes all those xp multiboxers.
And that is what I desire
Death to XP
Long live 8.0!
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2013-12-10 23:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
NEONOVUS wrote:
The only solution would be to limit once active client per computer.
Then you dont have to worry about multiboxing.
Of course smart people will already smile at this knowing the truth and how to get around it.
The good news is this removes all those xp multiboxers.
And that is what I desire
Death to XP
Long live 8.0!


Umm, wut? Is this in the right thread?

I think your ocular enhancer may need adjustment Lol

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Fix the Prospect!
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-12-10 23:45:20 UTC
Wait! ... but highsec has no risk!

nulllbears must explain this

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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-12-10 23:50:02 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Wait! ... but highsec has no risk!

nulllbears must explain this



Actually, bringing up a point, from the kills, it looks like many of the same gankers over and over again, as was mentioned, doing this in SOE hubs for several months.

Someone suggested that these are actually angry nullbears that lost their null space.
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