Ships & Modules

I wonder where I fit into that then.

I'm not a suicide ganker, it's not my cup of tea... and yet it's been many years since I could be considered a care bear. Even so, I have to admit I find it amusing when someone goes off the deep end when they lose a ship, especially when they could have easily avoided it.

We will still have destroyers. And we're patient enough to wait for tier 3 prices to drop down to normal levels, so that's not really an issue.

It'd be interesting to see if ganking rate does increase with the introduction of the new BC, and if it is enough to destroy Jita.

It would be in the best interest for everyone in the long term if one centralized market (which is what naturally happens if left unchecked) does not exist in game. If industry is more spread out, it would mean high-sec dwellers no longer have to put distance-to-Jita as a priority metric in finding their home bases, and fringe areas will see more traffic.

High sec industrialists who cannot compete with people with over-researched BPOs on profit margin can opt to find new markets, and exporting goods from high-sec en masse to null by major alliances to facilitate their holdings will also take significantly longer time as there's no one place with enough volume, giving null industrialists a purpose.

Traders will find their game more complex and fun as things aren't as predictable anymore, and inter-regional trade gets more lucrative (which incidentally also make ganking a mini profession (as they would need intel to cover a much wider area according to changing trade routes, it's not just mindlessly scanning people coming out from that Jita hole anymore).

Many problems with the game can be fixed, if only this is carried through to the end.

Tornado without insurance will be no better at suicide ganking than Tempest or Apoc are atm.
And it won't have the extra drones or launchers that a Tempest could equip, so if anything it will at best keep the suicide ganking the same.

For the philosophical/psychological postings:

Anything someone has put time and effort into to achieve is a real and tangible thing if lost. The emotional and psychological impact is real whether you wish to treat "pixels" as real or imaginary. The laws globally are also changing regarding property rights and the "reality" of in game resources as well and have been over the past decade or so with a greater change to the reality and legal status to in game items being given.

So what you are talking about in illiciting tears, be they carebear, griefer, nullbear, or other, is in fact the destruction of someones time and effort in any given field and the emotional and psychological impact this has on them that is making you feel good about their loss and suffering. Anyway you slice this this is a sadistic aspect of humanity, to gain joy or satisfaction from anothers pain and suffering irregardless of what that is or how it is made manifest in their life.




For the thread itself:

Yeah Tornados will be a gankers paradise and I for one welcome it into my hold. Now I just wish CCP would increase the ship maintenance bay of the orca to be able to carry 2 fully fitted BCs inside it instead of just 1 Id be really happy about this.

The real question will be on bpo seeds, locations and pricing. In fact the first big gank will be by destroyers ganking the bpo running shuttles and other small frigates back to their POS labs.

Actually its refering to ownership and tangible rights and yes there have been cases and there are games being created where the buying and selling for real currency is a legal entity already. In fact I read it years ago when it first became a sensation. Over the years its gone more and more towards this whether youd like to admit it or not.

Ive spoken to many people in game regarding this over a long period of time. I understand the mental mechanic quite well. No matter how you slice it its people taking enjoyment at taking away something from another person irregardless of the mechanic and trying TO induce the tantrum because it pleases them on a psychological basis. Not everyone does this and for some its a side benefit. But the psychology of it remains the same. Its the same reason why you link and watch and think its amusing for the German kid in WoW to lose his stuff. Its taking joy at anothers loss.

I've always found the "It's just pixels!!!!11oneone" crowd to be quite funny.

Because it's a convenient excuse to continue a behavior that isn't agreeable to everyone.

How many of the pixel pixies would hold true to their own proclamations of value if someone took a metal rake and wrecked the paint on their car, leaving some choice dents?

So it's not pixels, so it's an issue? Really?

How? The damage to the paint and the dents in the metal do not affect the ability of the car to be driven, nor do they affect your ability to get to work, and you even get an insurance payout if you have that level of insurance.

What about your digital music collection? It's just 1's and 0's. It's not real. It is completely useless without a software program to read the information properly. How many would just laugh it off and say "ah well, it's just pixels"?

How about your house? If someone comes through at night and covers it with graffiti, it doesn't affect you at all in regards to the purpose of a house. Keeps you warm, provides security for belongings, etc.
In fact, the paint itself is very much like your precious pixels. It's just particles of paint. Why does this not fall under the same rules?

What about your hair? You wake up one morning and it's all been trimmed off. Quickly, raggedly.
You experienced no pain, so why is it such a big deal? Bonus, it'll grow back in a couple months even. Yet people would go apeshit if it happened. Screaming and yelling would commence about "spaceships is a game! this is real life!!!"

So?

Why does the line of what is allowed to result in feeling emotions in general drawn at where *you* think it should be? Who defines those lines and draws them up, coincidently right where they fit in with *your* agenda?

Why is it that feelings of loss, sadness, anger and frustration are constantly pointed out as signs of someone "taking things to seriously" or that they are "sociopaths", but feelings of happiness, elation, giddyness, power and control are somehow totally different and have no connection what-so-ever to "taking things to seriously"?

The second you make a RL comparison, the game is over. And the longer you go on with the argument, you end up grasping at nothing.

I take it you disagree. Excellent, give me your computer.

Not sure whether or not you're trolling, but if not, I think you've completely overlooked the concept of the social contract. All of the things you mentioned are real-life, tangible possessions (property), and are bound by the social contract. Your property is protected by laws derived exclusively from the social contract.

EVE is a game; a meta world, complete with its own set of rules. When you sign up for EVE, you read the EULA/ToS, and consent to the rules outlined by its developer, CCP. These rules clearly state that any in-game items aren't property that you own. The social contract doesn't apply to them.

In addition to that, the developers have clearly stated that EVE is a "cold, harsh universe," where your character's, and your character's assets', safety isn't guaranteed. The game makes it clear that it's perfectly legitimate for other players to destroy your in-game possessions, and makes you acknowledge this before the first time you play.

Just because you believe that CCP isn't entitled to enforce its own set of rules applicable to a videogame meta universe they created, and that the social contract should be extended to protect your virtual holdings despite CCP's sovereign right to apply whatever rules they deem fit to their own intellectual property, doesn't mean that your demands are rooted in reality.

What's next? Are you going to sue your neighbor because he destroyed something you own in a dream you had? "I know it's not real, but I was really enjoying the Ferrari I was driving during nappy time, until he repeatedly struck it with a baseball bat. I press the motion for restitution of the full value of the car..."

I think I'll go ahead and give you an 8/10 though. Well done.