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If Somer Blink pledged some 'blinkgate' profits towards future plex-for-good...
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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-12-08 23:40:37 UTC
That "gate" crap in the US's scandal-naming-convention is about the dumbest crap our media ever came up with besides "every firearm is an AR-15, and every dog attack is done by pit bulls"... it really needs to stop.

It's not clever. It's not unique. It's not cheeky, funny, or hip. It's stupid.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-12-09 00:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
It's kind of like an abbreviation. A lot easier to say "SOMERgate" than "the SOMER Blink scandal" and people know what you're talking about.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#23 - 2013-12-09 01:02:18 UTC
4000 PLEXes, eh? SOMER confirmed for saviour of EVE Online! That's $60k, 2some 2.5 trillion ISK.

Now it's clear how SOMER bought CCP's compliance. Oh, wait. Is there a source for that?

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Opia Munba
mss industry
#24 - 2013-12-09 11:33:31 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
Just too many people butt-hurt that they haven't done anything close to the effort Somer.Blink put in. A Somer was getting officially recognized by making a real life profit that was at the time outside of the EULA and went unpunished. Hardly a problem.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#25 - 2013-12-09 11:43:54 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
That "gate" crap in the US's scandal-naming-convention is about the dumbest crap our media ever came up with besides "every firearm is an AR-15, and every dog attack is done by pit bulls"... it really needs to stop.

It's not clever. It's not unique. It's not cheeky, funny, or hip. It's stupid.


Stupidgate

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#26 - 2013-12-09 15:31:42 UTC
If Somer does try to do something nice, people will rush to be the first to start a "Somer Blink damage control attempt!" thread. They ought to just do some charity anyway, if they want to. They way they quietly did before all of this pitchforks and torches brouhaha.
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#27 - 2013-12-09 19:01:10 UTC
Cristl wrote:
...would that calm things down?


no

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-12-09 20:26:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
I think this really shows just how scummy SOMER really is.

If you want to give charity, give it for the sake of charity alone.

You shouldn't do charity as a form of damage control. That's pathetic. It implies that they wouldn't give charity at all if they didn't have an incredibly negative image associated with them at the moment.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-12-09 23:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirren D'marr
Cristl wrote:
...would that calm things down?

Often a company will provide goods for an auction, with the proceeds going to charity. I wonder if Somer Blink pledged to use some of their extra income from the unique ships to prepare a plex for good fund, we'd feel a bit less pissed off?

It could make good publicity in the future too ("internet nerds in charity drive" news articles for example). Better than the current publicity anyway What?


No.

Somer Blink is an in-game entity which has been used to create real-world profit, and is therefore in violation of the EULA for using game accounts for business purposes.

Donating to a good cause does not negate a blatant rules violation which would have earned anyone else an immediate lifetime ban.

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Nanatoa
#30 - 2013-12-09 23:38:17 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
...they scammed from me.


How did they scam from you?


A bait and switch scam. Check my posts in their thread for more info.

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Goda Hideo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-12-09 23:43:17 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
...they scammed from me.


How did they scam from you?



I think he whining about it in one of the threadnaughts about the give away. Something along the lines of spending billions on extra tickets. Then when he didn't win, he demanded his money back. Since that's not how lotteries work, he now goes from thread to thread claiming he was scammed.
Nanatoa
#32 - 2013-12-09 23:45:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nanatoa
Goda Hideo wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
...they scammed from me.


How did they scam from you?
Then when he didn't win, he demanded his money back.


Before I didn't win, 1 hour and 7 minutes after they swapped the prizes, several days before a draw was done.
This is all a matter of public record, I'll repost links to all the public posts made about this if you like.

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Goda Hideo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-12-10 00:21:13 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Goda Hideo wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
...they scammed from me.


How did they scam from you?
Then when he didn't win, he demanded his money back.


Before I didn't win, 1 hour and 7 minutes after they swapped the prizes, several days before a draw was done.
This is all a matter of public record, I'll repost links to all the public posts made about this if you like.


Since I believe (not sure, but how I would run it myself, haven't read the Somer rules) all ticket sales would have been final, Your real beef isn't with Somer all that much.

Your ticked at all the snork breathers that got all their smurfberries in a bunch, had a snizzlefit at CCP, and CCP caving in to them and changing the prizes?

(heck, I didn't care about the ships myself, I wanted the free fanfest trip)
Nanatoa
#34 - 2013-12-10 00:28:08 UTC
Goda Hideo wrote:
Since I believe (not sure, but how I would run it myself, haven't read the Somer rules) all ticket sales would have been final, Your real beef isn't with Somer all that much.


You haven't read the rules, you haven't read the case history, you still have an opinion. This is EVE at its best.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#35 - 2013-12-10 00:39:24 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
I think this really shows just how scummy SOMER really is.

If you want to give charity, give it for the sake of charity alone.

You shouldn't do charity as a form of damage control. That's pathetic. It implies that they wouldn't give charity at all if they didn't have an incredibly negative image associated with them at the moment.


To my knowledge it wasn't Somer that advertised their donation. It was CCP.

Somer just gave the plexes to CCP and then CCP advertised the donation during the live stream, same as they advertised the donations by others.

Lots of butthurt about Somer, who in most of the controversy haven't actually done anything wrong. It was CCP who made stupid decisions before. Not Somer unless I missed something.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-12-10 00:42:21 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
to CCP and then CCP advertised the donation during the live stream, same as they advertised the donations by others.

Lots of butthurt about Somer, who in most of the controversy haven't actually done anything wrong..


RMT has always been against the rules, last I checked. While failing to punish it was definitely the greater ill, Somer is a far cry from "haven't actually done anything wrong".

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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-12-10 01:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Garandras
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
RMT has always been against the rules, last I checked. While failing to punish it was definitely the greater ill, Somer is a far cry from "haven't actually done anything wrong".


But they were not doing actual RMT.. they were doing a completly legit thing with a 3rd party GTC reseller, which they are actually still doing.. they are just no longer offering a bonus "credit" which wasnt actual tanagble isk unless you won and chashed out. The only reason that this was stopped was because there was a huge outrage from BlinkHaters, and all of this was caused by CCP's bad decision to use some no longer in exsistance ships as prizes.

(I also think the Free trip to Fanfest was alot more awesome prize then some pixels)
Goda Hideo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-12-10 01:34:01 UTC
So, you say there is a rule that says can get your money returned if you decide not to play? why didn't you just "cash out" like all the other dingaquats use a reason for Somer being RMT?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#39 - 2013-12-10 01:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
to CCP and then CCP advertised the donation during the live stream, same as they advertised the donations by others.

Lots of butthurt about Somer, who in most of the controversy haven't actually done anything wrong..


RMT has always been against the rules, last I checked. While failing to punish it was definitely the greater ill, Somer is a far cry from "haven't actually done anything wrong".


There was no controversy before CCP gave rise to it and the controversy was about the unfair advantage given to Somer with the prizes.

The whole RMT aspect of it, I agree with. They, along with others shouldn't have been allowed to do it at all, let alone do it for so long when CCP has had rules in place to prevent it. So I'll stand by what I wrote, that "in most of the controversy" they haven't actually done anything wrong (they did lots wrong before the controversy, but that's not what started or became the fixation of the somergate, somer-contra affair, somer scandal - or whatever name anyone wants to call it).

This latest butthurt is because they gave 4000 plex to the plex for good. How is that a bad thing, especially when they didn't advertise it themselves? They just made the donation.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-12-10 01:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Garandras wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
RMT has always been against the rules, last I checked. While failing to punish it was definitely the greater ill, Somer is a far cry from "haven't actually done anything wrong".


But they were not doing actual RMT..


Conclusion: If your RMT scheme is convoluted enough, people who are bad at math and don't understand how gambling works will defend it as not-RMT. Roll

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