EVE General Discussion

It's been a while since I've seen someone so delusional. But you're it.

I imagine you believe that to be true. I pity you.

As I explained to you several times already, they're one (1), of several (multiple; more than one) factors which explain why wormhole dwellers get along just fine without local, and why null ratters wouldn't.
It allows wormhole dwellers to have fits that are more appropriate for PVP without gimping their ability to do PVE. Null ratters can't do that (except in the completely **** drone regions).

Wait....

Are you suggesting that null ratters have different ships available to them?

For some reason, they cannot duplicate, or would refuse to duplicate, the across the board resist profile that was described previously as an omni-tank?

I simply seek clarification here, in order to better understand how this could support, in part as you say, why null and WH space cannot be compared here.

They don't want to fit an omnitank because it might hurt their ISK/hr....

WHY DOES THIS FAMILIAR SOMEHOW....

Sleepers do omni damage, meaning you omni tank. Null rats do specific damage so you tank to those resists. In order to achieve a meaningful level of income from null rats you have to take on pretty large groups, so if you omnitank, you'll generally struggle, unlike in WH space, where they are worth so much isk that you can easily group up and make more per person than solo null ratters.

PvP generally suits better to omnitank if you don't know exactly what you will face, so if you are in WH space, you are naturally tanked for PvP. If you are in null space you will be specific tanked, so it will be easier to attack your weaknesses.

This is just one of the many reasons that WH space and null are not the same, and thus can;t be treated in exactly the same way. So when people suggest "oh just remove local and replace it with nothing, it works for wormholes", they are being ********.

You don't need to look at kill mails. You also live it through alliance/corp channels. You hear and read about who got blopped and why. If you don't live it, you can see it on KB. You can see who was dropped whilst ratting, mining, etc. It's not hard.



Yes. You see if the first time you see a red is when it's in local, you've already ****** up. Local is useful insofar as its state is communicated to you or by you, through intel channels. If you don't put the effort in to make those channels effective, it's useless. Having to warp out is absolutely the last thing you should be doing. With good comms, you should be safe long before the red enters your system.

I'm starting to think you've not really lived in null.

"Nullsec carebear baddies are clearly risk averse because they refuse to spend more effort and face more risk at the prospect of even less isk. Shame on them!"

I see your point, regarding customizing your fit to match the task at hand.

That said, you probably recall that I tend to endorse a more proactive solution, when possible.

I want the high risk with high stakes option to exist, and I view null sec as being good for this. I believe that group effort can more than balance such risk, when needed.
I find it troubling that group effort is so often a disposable necessity, however. The proven ability to operate unsupported by your peers is not only possible, but relatively simple with the right preparation.

So, I would ask why an omnitank is not considered the popular fitting strategy in null, where it would serve doubly against possible PvP threats.
It would seem the best way to be prepared for circumstances, which can hold surprises for us.

I'd love for you to explain to me why less isk for more effort is better than more isk for less effort.
I eagerly await your reply.