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Are the days of Local really numbered?

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Soma Khan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#321 - 2013-12-09 21:15:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
If the tears being generated in this thread are any indication at the very idea that Local might be removed or altered, the tears are going to be EPICALLY GLORIOUS when CCP actually does iterate on the feature.

LolLolLolLolLolLol

You clearly ignored (you're really good at that) the part where several of us have said that altering local is fine, given some provisions.
Completely removing it without a replacement is not an option, and you're pretty much the only one who thinks it is.

whats the point of being such a captain obvious? ccp already said as much in the quoted statement in the op. quit your thinly veiled crying already
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#322 - 2013-12-09 21:19:33 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
]Uh not quite. You realise people can in fact read back and realise this is total nonsense right? The original point was that WH space is not the same as null as WH space you omnitank and null you don't, so PVP pilots will take a ship suited to combating the resist gaps left by the rats in the area.
You then raised the enyo as an example of a ship as it can only fire therm/kinetic if you use it's racial guns. I pointed out you don't have to use racial guns and can in fact fit any type of gun if the situation calls for it.


Confirming that resistance profiles are very relevant to a discussion about Local.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#323 - 2013-12-09 21:19:44 UTC
Crying this, crying that. Saying it doesn't make it true. In fact the post you quoted is quite obviously just the opposite.
The bigger question is, why are you such a chickenshit?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#324 - 2013-12-09 21:22:13 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
]Uh not quite. You realise people can in fact read back and realise this is total nonsense right? The original point was that WH space is not the same as null as WH space you omnitank and null you don't, so PVP pilots will take a ship suited to combating the resist gaps left by the rats in the area.
You then raised the enyo as an example of a ship as it can only fire therm/kinetic if you use it's racial guns. I pointed out you don't have to use racial guns and can in fact fit any type of gun if the situation calls for it.
Confirming that resistance profiles are very relevant to a discussion about Local.
All the time you are convinced that WH space and null are similar for PVE, they are.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#325 - 2013-12-09 21:23:12 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
]Uh not quite. You realise people can in fact read back and realise this is total nonsense right? The original point was that WH space is not the same as null as WH space you omnitank and null you don't, so PVP pilots will take a ship suited to combating the resist gaps left by the rats in the area.
You then raised the enyo as an example of a ship as it can only fire therm/kinetic if you use it's racial guns. I pointed out you don't have to use racial guns and can in fact fit any type of gun if the situation calls for it.


Confirming that resistance profiles are very relevant to a discussion about Local.

PVE resistance profiles mean almost certain death for anyone that gets caught
PVP resistance profile (omni) gives a fighting chance.
It's one of several factors that make up for the fact that there's no local in w-space. If w-space actually had local it would be so ridiculously safe because of all these factors, whereas in nullsec (without these factors) local is allows us any chance of surviving at all (apart from taking completely asinine measures that would make doing PVE in nullsec pointless).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#326 - 2013-12-09 21:24:58 UTC
Confirming that if ratters just had the right resistance profile, they could totally defend themselves from roaming PvP gangs.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#327 - 2013-12-09 21:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Xuixien wrote:
Confirming that if ratters just had the right resistance profile, they could totally defend themselves from roaming PvP gangs.

No, not just. The post you're replying to specifically said one of several factors. I've lost count of how many times you've construed a single point of ours to be the whole argument. It's dishonest and it makes you look like an idiot.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#328 - 2013-12-09 21:35:02 UTC
Your arguments at this point is basically summed up as: "NullSec needs Local because we have resistance holes and stuff. People might put AutoCannons on their Enyos." Because apparently the only difference between a PvP ship and a PvE ship is it's resistance profile.

(Because let's nevermind the fact that if a dude in a WH can get 86% resists across the board and still do enough DPS to kill Sleepers, the strongest NPCs in the game, then a nullratter can do it, too.)

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#329 - 2013-12-09 21:36:48 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Your arguments at this point is basically summed up as: "NullSec needs Local because we have resistance holes and stuff. People might put AutoCannons on their Enyos." Because apparently the only difference between a PvP ship and a PvE ship is it's resistance profile.

Thanks for telling me what my argument is. Except that you're wrong.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#330 - 2013-12-09 21:41:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
you're wrong.


Holy ****, another scathing rebuttal from James!



















































Lol

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#331 - 2013-12-09 21:44:04 UTC
Except it's not a rebuttal of any argument you made. You're blatantly misconstruing my position, so if I tell you you're wrong, you're ******* wrong and you're a lying sack of ****.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#332 - 2013-12-09 21:44:17 UTC
Instead of worrying about ISK (something only highsec carebears are thought to do) how about we look forward to how interesting the changes could be?

I still hope for a Mode 2 / Mode 4 IFF system that players can switch on and off, and that the changes are across all space. Rubicon is all about the empires in decline and the power of the capsuleer on the rise. So it's only fitting that the empires get out of the local business.

I also hope there are new modules too. New modules are always fun to experiment with. Maybe they'll toss a bone and give something that can pick up a cloaked ship but not necessarily get a warpable hit on it? That would be fun. It would certainly slide "AFK Cloaker Tear Bar" a little. Sure, now you can see if someone is cloaked in your system, and see if they are on the move, but no you can't find them entirely (and remove the point of being cloaked) with a warpable hit and drop 50 cap ships on them so you can go back to botting.
(My reasoning of hoping for this change is because being able to see if a cloaker is moving or not is going to drive nullbears even more batty, not less)


Note that DUST has a warning for players "You are being scanned" when they use some threat sensor (I don't play, just seen the videos, because CCP does not want more of my money and won't put DUST on PC) . So I hope that some kind of warning system would be in place.

Whatever the case, I doubt, in spite of the goon fearmongering, defenders are going to be left out in the cold and these changes are going to be a gankers paradise. Fact is the "Local spike" just has to go, and from the viewpoint of one who is usually the hunted, I have no issues being alert but I care not for someone else who is going to be butthurt if they can't automatically know if I'm in there system just by showing up. There should be no doubt that multi-thousand player alliances (we know who they are) will still be able to maintain intel channels. Seriously, if someone running anoms gets ganked, that's all the intel you need. Pass it around in your channels.

Here are some other tips:

Stay aligned
Join an alliance. You can't survive more than two minutes in nullsec unless you join an alliance. ( Cool ). In fact your ship will explode just for undocking because alpha-nerd rage energy causes AOE damage.
Bring friends when you run anomalies. Eve is a multi-player game and if you don't want to work as a team, perhaps this is not the game for you. It's probably that anoms were never meant to be soloed in the first place.
Don't be a highsec carebear and worry about ISK in the first place. In Nullsec, you WILL lose ships, so don't undock with more than you can afford to lose. But if you do, remember that you can make more ISK in nullsec than in highsec.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#333 - 2013-12-09 21:47:08 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except it's not a rebuttal of any argument you made. You're blatantly misconstruing my position, so if I tell you you're wrong, you're ******* wrong and you're a lying sack of ****.


So now you're saying that resistance profiles have nothing to do with Local?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#334 - 2013-12-09 21:47:37 UTC
"You can make more ISK if you don't mind getting blown up and if you bring friends spreading your ticks among more people"
Do you people even think before you post?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#335 - 2013-12-09 21:48:25 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except it's not a rebuttal of any argument you made. You're blatantly misconstruing my position, so if I tell you you're wrong, you're ******* wrong and you're a lying sack of ****.


So now you're saying that resistance profiles have nothing to do with Local?

Why are you so consistently lying? Do you think at some point I'll stop noticing?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#336 - 2013-12-09 21:49:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except it's not a rebuttal of any argument you made. You're blatantly misconstruing my position, so if I tell you you're wrong, you're ******* wrong and you're a lying sack of ****.


So now you're saying that resistance profiles have nothing to do with Local?

Why are you so consistently lying? Do you think at some point I'll stop noticing?


So which is it? You keep changing your positions.

Do resistance profiles have something to do with Local
or not?

Pick one, cuz before you said some stuff about resistance profiles, and when I made a remark about it, you said "that wasnt my argument stop lying", so you're flipping back and forth.

You, sir, are the liar.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#337 - 2013-12-09 21:53:22 UTC
If EVE wasn't rush released in 2003, nullsec wouldn't have had a local intell the first place. Adding wormholes without local intel made tha pretty clear.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#338 - 2013-12-09 21:54:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Xuixien wrote:
Your arguments at this point is basically summed up as: "NullSec needs Local because we have resistance holes and stuff. People might put AutoCannons on their Enyos." Because apparently the only difference between a PvP ship and a PvE ship is it's resistance profile.

(Because let's nevermind the fact that if a dude in a WH can get 86% resists across the board and still do enough DPS to kill Sleepers, the strongest NPCs in the game, then a nullratter can do it, too.)
Thank god you are here. All these years and it turns out all we needed was some noob with barely any understanding of the game to tell us how to play. Thank you for sharing your genius with us. I'll fit me out an omni drake and go get myself exploded in a sanctum.

You're an idiot. You've manage to survive a few nub level sleeper sites and now you think you're some kind of expert on game mechanics. Null does not work the same way as WH space. That is a simple fact. No matter how many times you try to snip out little bits of conversation and write "lol, confirmed blah blah blah" that fact will never change. You are simply making yourself look like a fool by talking about things you clearly know nothing about.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#339 - 2013-12-09 21:55:27 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except it's not a rebuttal of any argument you made. You're blatantly misconstruing my position, so if I tell you you're wrong, you're ******* wrong and you're a lying sack of ****.


So now you're saying that resistance profiles have nothing to do with Local?

Why are you so consistently lying? Do you think at some point I'll stop noticing?


So which is it? You keep changing your positions.

Do resistance profiles have something to do with Local
or not?

Pick one, cuz before you said some stuff about resistance profiles, and when I made a remark about it, you said "that wasnt my argument stop lying", so you're flipping back and forth.

You, sir, are the liar.

Where did I say it wasn't my argument?
I said it wasn't the whole argument.
It never was the whole argument.
There are many aspects to the argument.
I've been talking about different parts.
I haven't changed my argument at all.
Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#340 - 2013-12-09 21:56:43 UTC
I never claimed to be an expert about anything.

But when it comes to EVE Online, I am pretty damned close. Bear

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist