EVE General Discussion

If that's all you read, then you are clearly not reading. Noone has suggested perfect safety, and local does not provide this in any way.
The whole idea seems to be a pointless change for some irrational hate of local. It's not an improvement to the game for the majority of people. The only people benefiting would be cloakers who want to gank PVE pilots with great ease (and they should just reship into interceptors). So far the only real reason for the change is "because local is free, waaah". Seems like a completely pointless waste of time that could be better spent elsewhere to me.

I like the idea that in Sov space you can see who is in the system if your part of the sov holding alliance - maybe that would be an Ihub upgrade feature.

In answer to thread title: I hope so.

This entire discussion to me sounds like getting the office new desks when the old ones were just as good.

If local went, my battleship will go from not being able to move into other systems to never being undocked, ever.

I don't support removal of Local.

But....

If CCP decides to remove Universal Local, then a number of Sov. Holder Upgrade options simply MUST be allowed.

1. Sov. Holders continue to get a Local, with all the same information AND the ship types of ships entering the system. How? A Sov. Holder clearly controls the Star Gates within their system and would logicly log all activity through those gates for security purposes. There is really no logical argument against this.

2. Sov. Holders can deny use of Star Gates to reds. Again, as above, Sov. Holding clearly should include control over the Star Gates. If a Sov. Holder can shoot a Station for control in LAWLESS space, surely they can shoot a much smaller Star Gate for the same level of control. Once controlled, there is no logical reason why a Sov. Holder could not deny transit use to a red entity. of course, this leaves room for spies and work-around mechanics and skills for reds to still get in.

3. Sov. Holders can anchor gate and station guns. Again, Sov. Holders in LAWLESS space should nto face any limitation on their control of the space system, and if an Empire can anchor a gate gun, surely a Null Sex Empire could do the same.

4. Reimplementation of the System Scanner for Sov. Holders. If you recall, there was once a module that allowed non-probers to probe downs ships from a POS. This should be returned, but with added functionality (like overpowering cloakers).

5. Hiring of NPC Security forces by Null Sec Sov. Holders. If an Empire can hire a few non-pod pilots to patrol near gates, there is no reason Sov. Holders should not have the power to do the same.

So, there you go, you can have local removed for everyone, if and when all of these reasonable, logical, rational additions for Sov. Holders are added back in.

Because lets be VERY clear: If Local-as-Intel-Tool is "unrelaistic", that any desire to bar the above options fo Sov. Holders is far MORE unrealistic. There is no logical reason why a Sov. Holder should be barred from doing and having any of the tools listed above, none whatsoever.

If youw ant your hunting to be easier via the loss of local, fine, but it damn sure better come with tools for Sov. Holders to build and secure their space in the same ways the Empires do. Clearly, the Empires have no abillity to stop podpilots from aquiring this tech., and there is no reason Sov. Holders wouldn't use it.

So there you go.

Now: Jump Frieghter transit is say 98% reliable (if you arent a reckless idiot...)

Without local? 50% tops?

Yes?

No?

Maybe?

Could you repeat the question?

If you're aligned you warp instantly.

All you have to do is click "warp" when anything appears on your Overview.

If you can't react fast enough, well, I guess you're **** out of luck.

Local Chat... ah, a famous hotbutton for many, indeed.

I think it can be put pretty simply, what my opinion is.

Keep the intel, but put the intel into the game along with the spaceships.

This means it should take effort, coupled with, it should be at risk.

Whether this means your ship is providing the intel directly, with probes or d-scan...
OR
Your corp / alliance anchored vulnerable structures capable of automated intel generation for their friendlies.

This game embraces the concept of Counter-Intelligence, but so far the only counter for local is... indirectly at least, local.
(That being: establish an unresolvable presence in this listing)

The rest is just details, and I have three threads of my own explaining how I would solve it.
Two are even linked below in my sig.

I'm only entertaining your scenario because it's obvious you can't think critically for more than 2-3 steps at a time.

One thing you seem to have forgotten (it's okay, so did I) is that every single anomaly has rats that warp disrupt. Aligning won't do ****. And unless you're literally the most ******** ratter-hunter on the planet (given your posts here that's a distinct possibility) you're going to wait to decloak until that happens. There's no defense against that.

Even assuming you, the hunter, were completely ******** and decided to engage before that happens, how long do you think it takes someone who's ratting to identify that there's a hostile player on grid with him, reselect the warpout point (they're going to be targeting rats and selecting which ones to attack), and hit warp? Probably longer than it takes for you to lock and point them. Knowing you you'll probably say something like "why not just MJD out" which is also unfeasible because there is, with the relevant skill at level 5, a whopping 9 second spool-up during which you could literally stand up, readjust your balls which have no doubt twisted themselves at the prospect of a juicy ratter kill, sit back down, and then scram, shutting their MJD off entirely.

Trying to refit a full rack of WCS off a mobile depot won't work either, as I cannot be aligned for this. Even if I start refitting as soon as I see you, there's still a pretty good chance that by the time I'm refitted and aligning out you could have several more ships on top of me that can apply points past my warp core strength so that I still wouldn't be able to warp away.

I could of course rat aligned and always have a full rack of WCS fit, but at that point the returns would be so incredibly **** that there'd be no point to doing this in nullsec at all when I could just go to highsec and do L4s in a T2 fit, T1 BS for more ISK at considerably less risk.

I could keep going, but if you didn't get the point by now I'd have to seriously start questioning how you manage to remember that breathing is necessary to stay alive.

My "frequently presented ideas" is the addition of an AFK timer, to ensure players have to be at their PC to play the game. How exactly is that "dumbed down"?

Competition would not change. They are not going to add a system which stops a PVE player being able to avoid combat. So no matter what system they put in place, PVE players will still be able to do exactly what they do now, and avoid PVP. What you want is for that to involve a bunch of trivial button presses and alts. Adding pointless effort does not add competition, it's simply removes fun. People would have to spend more time and effort pushing a bunch of scanning buttons and less time actually enjoying the game.

Also, did you complain about the scanning changes yet? Since they removed effort considerably now you can launch your probes in a preset pattern and don't need to scan down gravs. Surely that's a reduction in effort, thus a reduction in competition?