Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ever since Odyssey was revealed, I've been pretty convinced that the ship scanner or scanner overlay will be the main vehicle for replacing local. Dscan will also be iterated on and eventually the results will be integrated with the scanner overlay.

Hm.

Could you elaborate on what you think players can do once they get access?

And is this meant for the system owning alliance, or an enemy player? Or both?

I kind of think an automatically updating d-scan on a 5s interval would be pretty cool, with all the results going on your sensor overlay using the ISIS icons for ship hull type, and perhaps additionally colors for the race (sensor str type).

This would be balanced by several mechanics... ships would have a 'scanner strength' value that would function similarly to scanner probe strength. This could be a new attribute or a derived one based on scan resolution and possibly other things. Based on your ships scanner strength, the distance to the target, and the target's size (sig res, and sensor str), the game calculates a value from 1-100 that determines how much your scanner can tell about the ship. The higher result, the more information is revealed.

1-10 : You see a blip on your overlay for the target being a ship, offset by some significant deviation.
10-40: You see the race and hull size of the target, less devation in its location
40-70: exact ship type and the name on the ship, no deviation in its location in space (not warpable though)
70-90: the corp/alliance that own the ship are now viewable, along with some standings-based FoF coloration or icon.
90-100: pilot's name viewable.

specialized craft, t2 ships in general, smaller ships, would all get bonuses to their scanner strength, bigger ships would be more easily identifiable, and the scanner's range would be from 50au to 250au, with distance playing heavily into the results of the formula.

Also, ships would get a unique sig every session change, meaning that if you identify certain information about a ship is retained once ID'd.

I know this is a pretty radical idea, but I'm just trying to envision something that would work, and fulfill the potential of the sensor overlay, while eliminating dscan clicking, eliminating the 100% accurate information of the d-scan within 14.5 au, and still making intel gathering a reasonable thing to do. Also gotta make sure this new system doesn't step too hard on the toes of combat probes (probably through some buff to the functionality of combat probes). Would also need to make the solar system map more accessible. Right now half the time i click the map button it takes me to star map.

This... could make hunting targets, interresting.

You could determine when, and where, a player might be the most vulnerable, based on information extracted from the logs.

For low sec this could indeed be viable.

Please do keep working on it. Would like to see what you can come up with.



This would kill fleet battles I think. But that is my opinion.

I don't remember who presented it, but another solution to this in regards to null-sec whitch I support is a Gateway FoF system.

With this new hacking game, this opens up for some good possibilities aswell. For example. An enemy player could be allowed, either upon entry or after entry, to hack that FoF system, and upon a successful hack, may remain undetected. A failed hack will reveal that enemy player as normal.

I have myself proposed something about the local issue in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699&find=unread

But.... that ties in with a lot of other changes aswell. You all can read it if you want, its on page 6, however I believe a FoF system may be the easiest to implement.

Important point and I entirely agree with you, there's enough of that already in the mechanics

Lucien Visteen: what do you think about the stargate log displaying the mass of the ship as well as the pilot's name? This would be a cool sliver of information so people could guess the type of ship flown :D

Local simply provides too much intel for no work whatsoever. You can already get average number of players in space for the last 30 minutes or number of players docked up through the map statistics, neither of which is necessarily accurate - and that's the whole point. Local should function like wormhole local; no one shows up unless you decide to announce yourself, and it should be there to solely relay mission updates.

I also like the concept. What I think would make it even better would be if your scanner improved its report over time. For example, lets say I've got a poor scanning ship, and the enemy is a very low sig ceptor. As long as the ceptor stays beyond say 50 AU, my scanner will have no chance of detecting it at all. At 25 AU, maybe I've got a 3% chance of detecting a blip every tic, (That works out to a 50% chance of detecting in 28 or fewer seconds) and at 15AU, you have 100% chance of detecting a blip, and say a 3% chance to improve the hit, narrowing it down, or adding info, up to a max of hull type. As the target gets even closer, you start having chances of detecting more and more info (and the easier info starts becoming 100% chance).

You could work probes into this scheme, have a "Passive scan" option, when not actively probing, your probes would be passing along info to help you detect ships, from the location you deployed them, and refine the information you have on already detected ships that are also in their range. Probes would have very long detection ranges, but in passive mode, would be slower to refine hits beyond the blip stage compared to a ship with the same detection range. Actively probing would work as it currently does, and would provide very good detection on any signatures that are narrowed down.

As for how to determine a ships detection strength, using the sensor strength of the ship divided by sig (same as probing resistance) as a proxy for the overall quality of a ships sensor suite would work well and give you a way of buffing your detection capability by fitting ECCM, without requiring an entire new stat.

Love the discussion here guys. Keep it up.

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