Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so? that's what is supposed to happen.

Im still confused as to how a curse is controlling range on a vindi when it is slower (and you are assuming an armor curse with no plate anyway)

And for some reason we are also assuming single web on the vindi, and that the curse has an afterburner.

As the Curse will either use an AB or MWD, it can controll the range. A Curse is likely to use a scram as it can just sneaks in right on top of it's targets and will fight at close range. Witch means that the only speed the Vindicator will have here is 56 m/s as it can't use it's MWD.

The Curse can do 54.8 m/s or 71.3 m/s with the AB overloaded under the Vindicator's web. If it have an MWD, it can do 143.9 m/s with an MWD running or 204.9 m/s with the MWD overloaded. Now i'm not saying that the Curse will use it's MWD all the time. The MWD will get cycles sometimes here and there to just overgo the Vindicator when it's needed. If the Curse use an AB, it will run all the time then.

So either the Curse is as fast as the Vindicator with it's AB running or it will be faster with an MWD.

And this will get even more hilarous if the Curse is fighting a normal Megathron.

1. I have seen quite alot of Curses that actually use scrams over disruptors. So i'll guess it depends on what their playstyle is.

2. I'll say this is 50/50 on how that are used.

3. The Curse can still overload it's AB.

4. Cycling the MWD some few times here and there isn't gonna make much of a differences as it's just short period of times the MWD is gonna be used.

5. No, most Vindicators fits 1x 90% web and 1x ECCM when used in low sec over 2x 90% webs. We use 2x 90% webs because of how we fights. So it's all depending on what you are fighting and how you fight.

6. Until those drones are killed. Once the drones are webbed by one cruiser, it's enough to kill the drones pretty darn fast. And 5x Ogre II's only do 317 DPS anyways, witch isn't alot, even to cruisers.

I guess he means a Pilgrim, which the Vindi's mates will enjoy blapping off the field when Vindi-webbed almost as much as a Curse assuming he can't make his higher speed translate into hits.

6. There you go again, using bad piloting to buff the apparent performance of something else.

The Curse vs Vindicator is an invalid discussion. But a Curse + Megathron (or even Hyena + any non-Gallente BS that can apply damage past 22km - Apocalypse, Machariel, Tempest. etc.) vs Vindicator (still costs less than the Vindi) is, in fact, a valid discussion.

Also, one can not compare a pirate ship to a T1 ship and say "overpowered". CCP's own roadmap puts Pirate ships as being more effective than even T2 ships in their role. When you compare a Vindicator to another ship, compare it to it's own faction. Then you will see why other pirate faction ships need a buff, rather than the Vindi needing a nerf.

This is especially so for pirate frigates and pirate cruisers. Seriously, half of these suck.

The Vindicator is not a ship you fight solo. However, it's a ship that could easily be soloed by two people.

This is the reason the Vindicator is so effective as an anti-blob mechanic. Smaller gangs using Vindicators can often earn a "fair fight" over a significantly larger blob. The small gang now has the power to fight, say, 2x more people than their own gang.

However, this does not work in reverse, when blobs are fighting small gangs. Blobs will have the capability to fight 2x more people, but this capability is nullified, as small gangs are much smaller than themselves.

Vindicators are a force equalizer in this sense. They are one of the few mechanics that empower small gangs more than they empower blobs.

Have you ever heard about a cloak it can use until he's close enough to the ship and uncloaks?

Ok i'm back from hazing Suddenly in their home system. Got only few kills as they turned tails and run.
Nowhere to see thier legendary Vindis.

But back to topic.

How is this not ******** to TRYHARD and come up with some out of mind set up duels of curse + mega vs vindi or curse vs vindi.

I don't know, where you fly and you get such solo pvp like that. But where i live (Amarr/Minmatar fw) **** like that never happens at all.

Start using some relevant and universal arguments please. But i can see you lack those.

I don't know what CCP will do. But any half decent player knows that Vindi is op as hell hence why his price is higher than others pirate battleships. It's not accident or lack of Vindi BPCs. They are straightforward stronger ships.

Now logical (not some theorycrafted out of ass situations) arguments , market orders and general consensus among players and DEVs is that ship is over top.

What will be done is unsure now. But hammer will be dropped. Amen.

We are assuming that the Curse also somehow instantly destroys a Vindicator's Cap. Even with 5x Medium Imperial Navy/T2 Neuts. (Which would leave our hypothetical Curses tank with literally just a 800mm plate or MAR). It takes 5 Cycles to cap out a Vindicator from Scratch, this is not taking into account his passive cap regeneration and the fact that the Vindicator is going to have a Heavy Cap Booster.

Vindicator's Base cap without any other modifications, Energy Management level V and C-Type MWD is 7280.
Curse with 5x T2/Best Named/IN Neuts 1800 every 12 seconds.

This is just a fraction over 4 cycles needed to cap out the Vindicator. However this does not take into account the Vindicators passive cap regeneration and Cap Booster. So in all likely circumstances, The Vindicator can last more than 60 seconds.

Cycle 1: 0 seconds
Cycle 2: 12 seconds
Cycle 3: 24 seconds
Cycle 4: 36 seconds
cycle 5: 48 seconds.

If the Curse staggers neuts like it should then it will be slightly longer.

Bare in mind that this hypothetical curse, Which is a complete dumpster fit outside of this hypothetical situation. (AB/Scram/Web/2x TD/Medium Injector) 2x anc rigs and a 800mm plate II/DCII/2x EANM. Has literally 25K EHP. The Vindicator will kill this Curse easily in <30 seconds.

Hell even if you ****** fit the Curse to the extreme with 800mm plate II, 2x Kinetic, 1x Thermal hardener and legion it still only reaches 38k EHP. It's always going to die to a Vindicator before it gains control. And this Curse actually isn't cap stable even with navy 800 injecting.

Also I'm sure the Curse which takes in excess of 6 minutes to kill the Vindicator. Is in no way not going to get instantly dumpstered by someone in your gang.