EVE General Discussion

"This is a good multiplayer game, at least it was, until the other players turned up".

Please biomass your... oh wait.

Mining and not getting killed is easy. If your mining in high sec and your barge is popped you don't know how to properly mine.

Farewell and happy trailes

Wonder how often I have to say this game is great because every playstyle is allowed. Even the ones that **** all over my style...

Tank your barge and move to a new system. Ye numpty.

Alright... since your post is not full of raeg and I have had a lovely mug of spiked coffee this morning I'll be nice and give you constructive feedback.


To each their own. Everything in EVE feeds another activity and continues "the cycle."


Suicide ganking has been around since the earliest days of EVE. It is allowed because no part of EVE is safe... but there are tools and tactics you can use to enforce and/or ensure you safety if you spend a bit of effort (which is more or less the same amount of effort suicide gankers perform in setting up and executing the gank)... more on that later in this post.


That's because you are not aware of what you can do to defend yourself.


1a. See mining from a larger perspective. Every unit of ore you mine is a unit that your competitors can't. Every unit of mineral you sell on the market is one more that is added to the overall supply on the market... devaluing all the rest. Suicide ganking actually serves as a means (among many) to increase the value of minerals by introducing "hazards" for the miners.
Think in terms of "Supply and Demand"... if demand for a product remains steady how would you increase or decrease the price?

2a. CCP is not inclined to "enforce the rules" because there are no "rules" the way you imagine them. In EVE, there are...
- NPC penalties: Faction Police chase people are -5.0 or lower... virtually preventing these people from using anything larger than a Cruiser in high-sec.
And suicide ganking is called such because every time a person illegally aggresses a ship in high-sec they automatically lose their ship upon CONCORD's arrival (which is dependent on system security rating). No insurance is paid out either (it is a "total loss" for the ganker).

- Player enforced penalties: You can shoot, jam, disrupt, etc. anyone with has -5.0 security status or lower anytime, anywhere. No NPC entity will defend them in any way.



Now then...

Tricks and tactics for the average miner from the perspective of a ganker:

- setting up a gank requires patience and effort on our side. We need someone to "scout" for us to find a suitable target. That Frigate that innocuously came to your belt and then warped off? He's our scout.

- we are looking for the "softest"/"easiest" target we can find. If we see a Procurer and a Retriever in an asteroid belt... we will go after the Retriever. Fully tanked, that Procurer can easily get 60,000 effective hitpoints while the Retriever can barely get 20,000 hitpoints
NOTE: this design was done on purpose... the Procurer is very tanky but has limited orehold while the Retriever has a massive orehold in exchange for more limited survivability.

- suicide ganking is more of an art than a science. You can crunch numbers all day... but that alone will not ensure a successful or unsuccessful gank. There are factors that can decide the outcome like...
--- landing too far or too close to the target: some ganking ships have limited range. If they land too far they will not be able to apply their damage... at the same time, there are other ganking setups that have a fair bit of range but poor tracking ability. If they land too close they will not be able to apply their damage well.
--- the target can be moving: while more than few miners "poo poo" on the idea, orbiting a rock (or a jetcan) can increase the odds that someone will land too far or too close to you (as per the last sub-point) and has the added effect of introducing "tracking" issues (if a ship is moving at an off angle then the damage applied can be mitigated).

- who says you have to mine in belts? There are more than a few missions with asteroid belts in them. Missions require probes to get into... which requires effort (see second point).

- stay off the "warp ins" at the places you mine. Sitting at "off" angles complicates getting a good warp in and can sometimes even make it impossible to be caught by surprise.
NOTE: this applied especially to Ore Anomalies and Missions as there is only one point of entry into both.

- pay attention to the messages that pop on your screen. There is always a system-wide announcement if someone with terrible security status has entered a system.

- team up with others. There are a plethora of assistance modules that can increase your tank, efficiency, operation time, and general survivability. Now... this doesn't mean you have to alter your playing schedule or your activities. If you look long enough you might be a group that won't mind you being around "part time."


- Remember that EVE is a perpetual "rat race." Whether you like it or not you are competing against everyone else on the server.

As has been pointed out, suicide ganking is far from new. It is also an intended game mechanic, purposely allowed for in the game rules.

You have a multitude of options at your disposal, you chose not to use them. The decision to ignore the avenues available to you and instead quit is, of course, yours to make... but don't blame that decision on others.

Maybe you should try to move to WHs or null and do mining there. I mean you say you have never tried it + it doesnt matter who you pay right?






Plx fix ur avatars boobs. They dont look right and that fact has been bothering me for a few days now

I understand where you are coming from OP, but i have no sympathy, i'm a new character i choose mining as my profession, i've been ganked ive been bumped etc etc, you pick yourself up and you get back to doing it, just because you choose the life of the industrialist does not mean you should also be free of the hazards a combat pilot has to endure.

You dont see the pvp pilots or the mission runners coming to the boards and complaining every time they loose a ship or get ganked (yes both actually get ganked as much as us miners), they brush themselves of get up an go back to it, i suggest you do the same, if you cant then im sorry but maybe its for the best that you do leave the game to those that can.

Get smart or get even, its not enough just to learn the skills to fly a mining ship i've learned the hard way you also need the skills to fly it and survive (of which im still learning lol)

Sorry if i seem harsh my friend but eve is a harsh cold universe

Either that, or maybe it's the guy in that Procurer named "inconspicuous miner", who warped in, snuggled up cozily to your Exhumer at 500m and started mining...

Your killboard history shows around one mining ship lost per month, if people are making failed gank attempts on you every day then the loot from their wrecks should be providing a handy supplemental income for you.

The time you spent writing this whining post could be spent productively moving your stuff to a different system, away from the New Order bullshit. They can't be everywhere at once and there are plenty of systems that offer good mining opportunities. If you insist on mining in highly populated areas 1 jump away from a trade hub, well that's your own problem.

If you allow yourself to be played like this don't expect any form of sympathy from us.