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Eve was fun - but now

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Infected Space-Monkey
Chaos Symposium Intergalactic
#1 - 2013-12-08 18:16:51 UTC
I know, all the responses you all will give. I just thought I would like to post my perspective.

Eve is a good game (well it was). My story, I like to mine and manufacture stuff, you know the ammunition and rigs and other stuff that allows you to do missions and pvp.

I mine in high sec, salvage my little pirate kills and have led a generally happy life, until about 3 months ago. What happened then you ask, it appears that ganking miners in high sec is the new thing to do. I guess all the PvP, Wormholes, Null Sec is boring or something (don't know never been there).

Not a day goes by that someone either attempts to gank my ship or ganks it, I have pretty much given up trying to improve my fortunes, I can't even bother to log in anymore. I know what a sad piece of **** I am huh?

LULZ IT'S PVP DOOD, GTFO IF U DONT LIKE IT

Which si what I am doing, I amassed about 1.5 billion in net assets since I started playing (woooo, yeah you all have tons more than me).

I just wanted to post some feedback on the gameplay for future people that may join. 1) mining in it's current state is useless, sure you make make some isk, but overall you will get ganked and make no progress. 2) CCP does not enforce the rules of a negative security status (if someone is -10.0 they should be annihilated right away when entering empire space, instead they are allowed free reign - no punishment for killing others - I guess they make more money off these people).

Anyway a word of warning, increasing of gankage in high sec or even null sec killed mining, and pretty much killed any fun I had.

To those continuing have a good time, but off to the biomass processor for me. 1.5b going up in flames, CCP no more money from me, maybe if enough of us quit in protest you will fix something, but I doubt it.

ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-12-08 18:17:31 UTC
Reserving this slot for when I think of a witty post. For now, can I have your stuff?

Dodixie > Hek

gobbybobby
Negative-Impact
#3 - 2013-12-08 18:18:44 UTC
no don't biomass


Can I have ur stuff


for safekeeping in case u decide to return
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#4 - 2013-12-08 18:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Eurydia Vespasian
Sad

btw, I actually beat all of you to the can has stuffs request. I happened to be in the chat channel in game when this happened. Blink
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#5 - 2013-12-08 18:19:21 UTC
U know , you could try joinin a wormhole corp or nullbear corp and mine there , pretty sure its safer then high sec nowadays ... if not , then sorry to hear you leave

can i have your stuff though ?


I wish u good luck in your future gaming experiences

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#6 - 2013-12-08 18:19:43 UTC
Infected Space-Monkey wrote:
I know, all the responses you all will give. I just thought I would like to post my perspective.

Eve is a good game (well it was). My story, I like to mine and manufacture stuff, you know the ammunition and rigs and other stuff that allows you to do missions and pvp.

I mine in high sec, salvage my little pirate kills and have led a generally happy life, until about 3 months ago. What happened then you ask, it appears that ganking miners in high sec is the new thing to do. I guess all the PvP, Wormholes, Null Sec is boring or something (don't know never been there).

Not a day goes by that someone either attempts to gank my ship or ganks it, I have pretty much given up trying to improve my fortunes, I can't even bother to log in anymore. I know what a sad piece of **** I am huh?

LULZ IT'S PVP DOOD, GTFO IF U DONT LIKE IT

Which si what I am doing, I amassed about 1.5 billion in net assets since I started playing (woooo, yeah you all have tons more than me).

I just wanted to post some feedback on the gameplay for future people that may join. 1) mining in it's current state is useless, sure you make make some isk, but overall you will get ganked and make no progress. 2) CCP does not enforce the rules of a negative security status (if someone is -10.0 they should be annihilated right away when entering empire space, instead they are allowed free reign - no punishment for killing others - I guess they make more money off these people).

Anyway a word of warning, increasing of gankage in high sec or even null sec killed mining, and pretty much killed any fun I had.

To those continuing have a good time, but off to the biomass processor for me. 1.5b going up in flames, CCP no more money from me, maybe if enough of us quit in protest you will fix something, but I doubt it.



In all seriousness....


What are you doing to get ganked so much?

Are you flying in known New Order systems without a permit?

And/Or are you AFK mining?

Do you fly a Procurer or something bigger/smaller with much less tank?

When you get ganked, do you move system, or stay where you were?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#7 - 2013-12-08 18:20:18 UTC
Infected Space-Monkey wrote:
I know, all the responses you all will give. I just thought I would like to post my perspective.

Eve is a good game (well it was). My story, I like to mine and manufacture stuff, you know the ammunition and rigs and other stuff that allows you to do missions and pvp.

I mine in high sec, salvage my little pirate kills and have led a generally happy life, until about 3 months ago. What happened then you ask, it appears that ganking miners in high sec is the new thing to do. I guess all the PvP, Wormholes, Null Sec is boring or something (don't know never been there).

Not a day goes by that someone either attempts to gank my ship or ganks it, I have pretty much given up trying to improve my fortunes, I can't even bother to log in anymore. I know what a sad piece of **** I am huh?

LULZ IT'S PVP DOOD, GTFO IF U DONT LIKE IT

Which si what I am doing, I amassed about 1.5 billion in net assets since I started playing (woooo, yeah you all have tons more than me).

I just wanted to post some feedback on the gameplay for future people that may join. 1) mining in it's current state is useless, sure you make make some isk, but overall you will get ganked and make no progress. 2) CCP does not enforce the rules of a negative security status (if someone is -10.0 they should be annihilated right away when entering empire space, instead they are allowed free reign - no punishment for killing others - I guess they make more money off these people).

Anyway a word of warning, increasing of gankage in high sec or even null sec killed mining, and pretty much killed any fun I had.

To those continuing have a good time, but off to the biomass processor for me. 1.5b going up in flames, CCP no more money from me, maybe if enough of us quit in protest you will fix something, but I doubt it.



Good for you.
I understand your sentiment.
If this is your last account active, I suggest that instead pf bio-massing, simply stop paying the sub.
The message is the same to CCP, and you leave yourself an option for the future.
Mr Pragmatic
#8 - 2013-12-08 18:24:53 UTC
Infected Space-Monkey wrote:
I know, all the responses you all will give. I just thought I would like to post my perspective.

Eve is a good game (well it was). My story, I like to mine and manufacture stuff, you know the ammunition and rigs and other stuff that allows you to do missions and pvp.

I mine in high sec, salvage my little pirate kills and have led a generally happy life, until about 3 months ago. What happened then you ask, it appears that ganking miners in high sec is the new thing to do. I guess all the PvP, Wormholes, Null Sec is boring or something (don't know never been there).

Not a day goes by that someone either attempts to gank my ship or ganks it, I have pretty much given up trying to improve my fortunes, I can't even bother to log in anymore. I know what a sad piece of **** I am huh?

LULZ IT'S PVP DOOD, GTFO IF U DONT LIKE IT

Which si what I am doing, I amassed about 1.5 billion in net assets since I started playing (woooo, yeah you all have tons more than me).

I just wanted to post some feedback on the gameplay for future people that may join. 1) mining in it's current state is useless, sure you make make some isk, but overall you will get ganked and make no progress. 2) CCP does not enforce the rules of a negative security status (if someone is -10.0 they should be annihilated right away when entering empire space, instead they are allowed free reign - no punishment for killing others - I guess they make more money off these people).

Anyway a word of warning, increasing of gankage in high sec or even null sec killed mining, and pretty much killed any fun I had.

To those continuing have a good time, but off to the biomass processor for me. 1.5b going up in flames, CCP no more money from me, maybe if enough of us quit in protest you will fix something, but I doubt it.




1.5 bil in assets and is complaining....are you SERIOUS?!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2013-12-08 18:26:40 UTC
Infected Space-Monkey wrote:
I mine in high sec, salvage my little pirate kills and have led a generally happy life, until about 3 months ago. What happened then you ask, it appears that ganking miners in high sec is the new thing to do.
That seems highly unlikely. What you describe has been going on for at least half a decade.

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Not a day goes by that someone either attempts to gank my ship or ganks it, I have pretty much given up trying to improve my fortunes, I can't even bother to log in anymore.
I have to Ramona McCandless' questions to this: what are you doing when this happens? Where does it happen? What have you done to try to evade or mitigate it? If it happens that often, you must have managed to antagonise someone, consciously or not, and considering how much mining goes on in the game that doesn't attract nearly the same amount of attention, it really should be trivial for you to escape.
Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-08 18:27:34 UTC
Move to different systems. I found a low traffic system. Whenever I decide to mine a bit, often, I am the only one in the belt, or maybe just 1 or two others. No one has tried to gank me yet.

Like the other poster said, do not biomass, but just unsub and take a break.

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Slymah
DorpCorp
#11 - 2013-12-08 18:31:23 UTC
I specialize in killing miner gankers.

If you give me that hard earned isk that you put your blood sweat and tears into, I can assure you that it will be put to good use killing your enemies.

Sorry to see you go. Good luck to you in whatever you chose to do!
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#12 - 2013-12-08 18:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lors Dornick
How could doing anything industrial be even remotely fun is wasn't for that fact that we have to try and calculate the impact of other players?

Suicide ganks, random wardecs, market scams, big fish changing the market under you feet ...

That's what makes EvE fun and interesting.

The daily job of learning, analysing and trying to be smarter than that other fish just a bit bigger than you.

Or the quote wisdom "you don't have to run faster than the bear, just faster than your slowest mate ..."

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-12-08 18:36:47 UTC
If you entitled pricks think that ganking is bad, try mining before the retribution expansion, where you mined in a bantam and jetcan mining/jetcan pirates were a thing. Hell even try mining BEFORE barges were a thing. Get in a rokh and try mining, I dare you.

You can pay for your retreiver hull in 6-10 full cargo holds depending on your fits. I remember when getting a retreiver to hold 10K was a VERY big deal.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-12-08 18:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Infected Space-Monkey wrote:


1) mining in it's current state is useless, sure you make make some isk, but overall you will get ganked and make no progress.



This is patently false. Bear in mind that almost all of the minerals in the game are sourced from mining, with a bit coming from ancillary sources. If what you say were true, there would be no minerals left over to manufacture the bulk of the goods in the game, because they would all be poured into replacing mining ships.

The fact is that the VAST majority of miners generate far more - orders of magnitude more - than they lose to ganking.

Given that mining is pretty much the root input for the entire rest of the economy, and given that the economy seems to be chugging along pretty well, it's pretty hard to view the statement "mining is useless" as anything other than fundamentally idiotic.

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2) CCP does not enforce the rules of a negative security status (if someone is -10.0 they should be annihilated right away when entering empire space, instead they are allowed free reign - no punishment for killing others - I guess they make more money off these people).





No, CCP actually DOES enforce the rules of a negative security status.

Your problem, here, is that they're enforcing the ACTUAL rules, as opposed to the rules as you wish they were.

There is not, for example, any rule stating that a -10 is to be annihilated upon entering empire space. That rule does not exist. You made it up. It's completely an invention of your own making.

You understand the difference between the actual game rules, and rules you've merely dreamt up, right?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#15 - 2013-12-08 18:46:22 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:


Quote:

2) CCP does not enforce the rules of a negative security status (if someone is -10.0 they should be annihilated right away when entering empire space, instead they are allowed free reign - no punishment for killing others - I guess they make more money off these people).


No, CCP actually DOES enforce the rules of a negative security status.

Your problem, here, is that they're enforcing the ACTUAL rules, as opposed to the rules as you wish they were.


I think he's suggesting that NPCs should be capable of Pod-Kill-Murders


Imagine the posts if Rats could podkill

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Vidua Arte Album
Epic Boo Bees
#16 - 2013-12-08 18:50:45 UTC
My brother and myself would be very happy to give your wealth a deeper meaning of existence!

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Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-12-08 18:55:45 UTC
Well at least you could amass 1.5bil


Thats such a high amount of isks
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2013-12-08 18:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
If you're getting suicide ganked on a regular basis you're doing it wrong. New Order guys? Pay them or move. Anybody else? Move.

There's plenty of low traffic 0.5 - 0.7 systems once you get 8 or 9 jumps from a trade hub, mine in one of them.

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#19 - 2013-12-08 19:05:18 UTC
Infected Space-Monkey wrote:
Not a day goes by that someone either attempts to gank my ship or ganks it, I have pretty much given up trying to improve my fortunes, I can't even bother to log in anymore. I know what a sad piece of **** I am huh?

Not a day goes by that people leave me alone to do whatever I want.

What are you doing, or not doing, to make yourself a constant target?

Are you mining AFK, or in high-population systems (people in local > number of belts)? Mouthing-off in local?
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#20 - 2013-12-08 19:10:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
If you're getting suicide ganked on a regular basis you're doing it wrong.

And EvE is anything but static.

If what you do doesn't work then step back, think and do something else.

If you don't want to actually think every time you log in then you are playing the wrong game.

HTFU is actually just another way to say observe, analyse and adapt.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

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