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On This Day In 1941

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#21 - 2013-12-07 20:46:05 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
I can't wait for the day we finally get over this stupid WWII incident and go back to being a happy global family.

Like back in the day when there was no mankind and we didn't have any wars at all.


We can't ALL be like Iceland, and have absolutely ZERO desire to commit violence....


They don't have an army because who needs an army when you have an entire island of volcanoes to fire at people. Just look at what they did to Europe when we asked for our money backStraight


I honestly like Iceland and have often considered moving there. I would give up my guns in a heartbeat to live in a country where I didn't need them.


Go Switzerland. It's equally safe, the weather is better and also is the food.


According to Jeremy Clarkson, Switzerland hates cars, though... I can't handle a country with that many awesome roads, but doesn't let me use them the way the gods intended.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#22 - 2013-12-07 21:26:14 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
I honestly like Iceland and have often considered moving there. I would give up my guns in a heartbeat to live in a country where I didn't need them.


Go Switzerland. It's equally safe, the weather is better and also is the food.


According to Jeremy Clarkson, Switzerland hates cars, though... I can't handle a country with that many awesome roads, but doesn't let me use them the way the gods intended.


Then come to Spain, the weather is awesome, food is awesome, roads are awesome, and our local politics put EVE to shame.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#23 - 2013-12-07 21:44:06 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
I honestly like Iceland and have often considered moving there. I would give up my guns in a heartbeat to live in a country where I didn't need them.


Go Switzerland. It's equally safe, the weather is better and also is the food.


According to Jeremy Clarkson, Switzerland hates cars, though... I can't handle a country with that many awesome roads, but doesn't let me use them the way the gods intended.


Then come to Spain, the weather is awesome, food is awesome, roads are awesome, and our local politics put EVE to shame.


Too close to the land of my people (Italia)... if I went to Spain, I would forever long for my ancestral home.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#24 - 2013-12-07 21:45:45 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
>implying the US deserves to be compared to CONCORD and not the Caldari


Caldari is modeled after Japan.
Gallente is modeled after what the UK and America *want* to be, but only NZ manages to be brave enough to actually become.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Na Kahm
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-12-08 02:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Na Kahm
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You were two years late.


The major contribution of the US was to the Pacific theater, not Europe. And of course not much was happening in the Pacific theater besides Japan steamrolling over China, Korea and a few other southeast Asian nations until the US got involved.


Yes... I know what Balz meant. We were non-interventionist at the time. That's better than what we've been doing, since then, isn't it?

That what I believed as well. People complain when we don't do anything, and people complain when we do intervene.

I really wish we would stick to isolationism, but if we did, we probably would not be a superpower today. It's all about tradeoffs.



I would honestly prefer to not be a war veteran.


and I would really like my leg and arm back, that the IED took, but hey at least I am aliveStraight

John 17 : 23

Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#26 - 2013-12-08 03:35:16 UTC
Na Kahm wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I would honestly prefer to not be a war veteran.


and I would really like my leg and arm back, that the IED took, but hey at least I am aliveStraight


Most cowardly weapon ever invented.
If it makes you feel any better, I dropped a f**kin JDAM on an IED-maker's house.... the secondary explosions were glorious.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#27 - 2013-12-08 08:56:26 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Na Kahm wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I would honestly prefer to not be a war veteran.


and I would really like my leg and arm back, that the IED took, but hey at least I am aliveStraight


Most cowardly weapon ever invented.
If it makes you feel any better, I dropped a f**kin JDAM on an IED-maker's house.... the secondary explosions were glorious.


You are aware that you did on him what he did on yours, right? "To kill the enemy without giving him any chance to defend".

What would you do if someone conquered the USA and you had no shiny toys but just a limited supply of explosives and enemy soldiers stomping your grounds?

Yes, THEY were terrorists and THEY were evil... but cowardly?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#28 - 2013-12-08 13:45:21 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Na Kahm wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I would honestly prefer to not be a war veteran.


and I would really like my leg and arm back, that the IED took, but hey at least I am aliveStraight


Most cowardly weapon ever invented.
If it makes you feel any better, I dropped a f**kin JDAM on an IED-maker's house.... the secondary explosions were glorious.


You are aware that you did on him what he did on yours, right? "To kill the enemy without giving him any chance to defend".

What would you do if someone conquered the USA and you had no shiny toys but just a limited supply of explosives and enemy soldiers stomping your grounds?

Yes, THEY were terrorists and THEY were evil... but cowardly?


I disagree, because, you see, the JDAM is still addressed to specific persons, whereas the IED is labelled "to whom it may concern"...

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2013-12-08 14:16:58 UTC
Darth Peaches wrote:
And of course not much was happening in the Pacific theater besides Japan steamrolling over China, Korea and a few other southeast Asian nations until the US got involved.


That's actually quite a lot of disturbing activity back then. Why the 'minimizing' attitude ??

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2013-12-08 14:20:19 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Go Switzerland. It's equally safe, the weather is better and also is the food.


You cannot stay though. To become Swiss, one pretty much has to be born Swiss (unless you're a billionaire or something who can make an economic contribution.

That's the price of peace and pacifism.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-12-08 14:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Anya Klibor
Quote:
The major contribution of the US was to the Pacific theater, not Europe. And of course not much was happening in the Pacific theater besides Japan steamrolling over China, Korea and a few other southeast Asian nations until the US got involved.


The invasion of Normandy and the invasion of Italy disagree with your assertion that we contributed little to nothing to the European theater. Had it not been for the United States, "Fortress Europe" would have remained that way for many more years. The Allies strength was far too little in order to launch a successful invasion anywhere in Europe. Stalin knew that, and it's why he pressed for the United States to open a second front to take the pressure off the Soviets in the east.

Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You were two years late.


The major contribution of the US was to the Pacific theater, not Europe. And of course not much was happening in the Pacific theater besides Japan steamrolling over China, Korea and a few other southeast Asian nations until the US got involved.


Yes... I know what Balz meant. We were non-interventionist at the time. That's better than what we've been doing, since then, isn't it?


The United States is always either too early, or too late. That's how every liberal and European sees it. It took us three years to get involved in Yugoslavia because we expected the Europeans to handle something that was going on in their back yard. The majority of the European Union refused to get involved, or sent minimal troops there, most under strict orders not to engage, even in self-defense. There's that well-publicized story of the Dutch forces giving up and pretty much standing by while 7,000 innocents were killed by Serbs. Europe sat on its hands, expecting the United States to lead the way in this (and this isn't a joke: the German chancellor at the time, as well as French president said they were waiting for, and I quote, "Americans to get off their fat asses and do something"). Something happening in their own backyard and they refused to be involved.

And then in 1999 with the Kosovo War, we get involved almost immediately to prevent a repeat of the Bosniak-Croat war. And Europeans tell us we work too fast. We can't win with you kids.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#32 - 2013-12-08 17:05:42 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
We can't win with you kids.


We are the world's "new guy". What do you expect?
As a nation, we still don't know what direction we want to go in. Are we a democracy? Are we fascists? Are we socialists? Do we want imperialism, isolationism, or are we the world's bodyguard? We don't know. And the people in charge just want more money.

Hell, 70% of our elected officials want to be nobility and have a king, FFS.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#33 - 2013-12-08 17:08:45 UTC
But, despite all that nonsense.... no matter how bad we effed up in Vietnam, Iraq, and on our own soil.... we put Germany's face to the curb and kicked the back of his head until he stopped being N@zi. The world doesn't owe us anything for that, because it was just as much in our own interest as everybody else's to do it. We shouldn't need to "get over ourselves" for that one.... but we really shouldn't be marginalized, either.

That's all I'm saying. And I'm not even a patriot.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#34 - 2013-12-08 20:51:50 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
And of course not much was happening in the Pacific theater besides Japan steamrolling over China, Korea and a few other southeast Asian nations until the US got involved.


That's actually quite a lot of disturbing activity back then. Why the 'minimizing' attitude ??


He forgot the sarcasm tag. But it's kind of obvious what he really meant (the opposite of 'not much') considering the huge geographical scope.

Methinks you might need a cuppa.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#35 - 2013-12-08 22:04:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Darth Peaches wrote:
Digits Kho wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You were two years late.


The major contribution of the US was to the Pacific theater, not Europe. And of course not much was happening in the Pacific theater besides Japan steamrolling over China, Korea and a few other southeast Asian nations until the US got involved.


Thats not what they were taught in their cold and dusty coldwar era classrooms


Eh, that is what college classes are for. You get to avoid most of the propaganda. Not all of it though.

Yeah, college was an eye-opener for me. U.S. military invading Cuba and the Philippines, because: a) Corporations wanted to open markets; b) Hearst newspapers helped the public believe everybody in those countries wanted liberation from oppression, Protestant Christianity, democracy, liberal capitalism, and the blessed American way of life; c) American Protestants had to save those locals from their religion (Roman Catholicism) and eternal damnation; and d) we had a nationalist, jingoistic, macho man president (Teddy Roosevelt).* So a combination of good intentions and ignorance by the regular people and cynical opportunism by the money-power people. I sure hope we never have that combination come up again! Blink

Anyway, for a kid who'd been taught that America was always the just defender, a minuteman who sometimes had to get out his gun to fight a tyrant bad guy... learning about that ruthless imperialist stuff was kind of a shock.

*One of several sources: Barbara Tuchman, The Proud Tower.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#36 - 2013-12-08 23:07:40 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
Digits Kho wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You were two years late.


The major contribution of the US was to the Pacific theater, not Europe. And of course not much was happening in the Pacific theater besides Japan steamrolling over China, Korea and a few other southeast Asian nations until the US got involved.


Thats not what they were taught in their cold and dusty coldwar era classrooms


Eh, that is what college classes are for. You get to avoid most of the propaganda. Not all of it though.

Yeah, college was an eye-opener for me. U.S. military invading Cuba and the Philippines, because: a) Corporations wanted to open markets; b) Hearst newspapers helped the public believe everybody in those countries wanted liberation from oppression, Protestant Christianity, democracy, liberal capitalism, and the blessed American way of life; c) American Protestants had to save those locals from their religion (Roman Catholicism) and eternal damnation; and d) we had a nationalist, jingoistic, macho man president (Teddy Roosevelt).* So a combination of good intentions and ignorance by the regular people and cynical opportunism by the money-power people. I sure hope we never have that combination come up again! Blink

Anyway, for a kid who'd been taught that America was always the just defender, a minuteman who sometimes had to get out his gun to fight a tyrant bad guy... learning about that ruthless imperialist stuff was kind of a shock.

*One of several sources: Barbara Tuchman, The Proud Tower.


And that's where my accusations of fascism come from.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#37 - 2013-12-08 23:27:16 UTC
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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#38 - 2013-12-09 05:39:27 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Na Kahm wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I would honestly prefer to not be a war veteran.


and I would really like my leg and arm back, that the IED took, but hey at least I am aliveStraight


Most cowardly weapon ever invented.
If it makes you feel any better, I dropped a f**kin JDAM on an IED-maker's house.... the secondary explosions were glorious.



Nothing says 'I Love You' like a JDAM through the front door.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#39 - 2013-12-09 05:44:34 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Na Kahm wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I would honestly prefer to not be a war veteran.


and I would really like my leg and arm back, that the IED took, but hey at least I am aliveStraight


Most cowardly weapon ever invented.
If it makes you feel any better, I dropped a f**kin JDAM on an IED-maker's house.... the secondary explosions were glorious.



Nothing says 'I Love You' like a JDAM through the front door.


And just in case the "bad" guys didn't hear me, the first time, I was in pretty good with the MLRS battalion, down the street....

Honestly, though... I was an oddity amongst my kind, though. I had (and still do have) respect for the enemy. No matter if I agreed with their methods or not, they were warriors, which made them my brothers. And if there is such a place as Valhalla, I'll see them all again, some day.
That's why on Memorial Day, I drink for my friends AND my enemies.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-12-09 06:44:58 UTC
One thing living in Japan has taught me.

While the attack on Pearl Harbour happened on December 7th. In Japan it was December 8th. So the Japanese remember it as December 8th.

Which is pretty interesting from a time zone perspective.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

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