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Starbase Forcefield Bumpin 'exploit'.

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#61 - 2013-12-07 14:13:11 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
S0mveraa wrote:

So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?


A basic understanding of the English language would indicate that a ship sticking out of the shield is not within the shield, and therefore not protected by this ruling.

that's the problem

a titan can be inside the shield, if you bas yourself on the locking mechanism, but still have a part of it's collision model outside, thus allowinf it to be bumped.

in a nutshell, you cannot lock it BUT you can bump it, from OUTSIDE the shield.

and so, this usecase can OR cannot be bannable, depending on the fact CCP consider it within the shield or not (wich will depend if they base this on the locking mechanism, or the collision model mechanism)
Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-12-07 14:17:36 UTC
I THINK CCP IS TOTALLY WRONG BANNING PEOPLE FOR THIS


IF THEY DONT WANT IT TO HAPPEN THEN FIX THE DAMN GAME MECHANIC


NOT JUST BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE THEIR OWN GAME MECHANICS ARENT WORKING AS SUPPOSED.



NOT OUR FAULT YOUR GAME MECHANICS ARE AS THEY ARE, YOU WANT US TO BEHAVE IN A CERTAIN WAY THEN FIX YOUR OWN GAME MECHANICS

YOU ARE WRONG BANNING PEOPLE FOR THIS.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2013-12-07 14:35:34 UTC
Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums wrote:
NOT OUR FAULT YOUR GAME MECHANICS ARE AS THEY ARE, YOU WANT US TO BEHAVE IN A CERTAIN WAY THEN FIX YOUR OWN GAME MECHANICS
…and until they do, they're going to tell people not to take advantage of the unintended behaviour and ban those who do.

It's not a particularly new, strange, or difficult concept.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-12-07 23:18:55 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Bobby Frutt wrote:
It seems the issue was that supercaps, in a small POS, were very hard to position entirely inside the field. The solution should be: Don't park your supercap in a small POS. Upgrade.

I don't understand the logic in calling this an exploit. When I first read the update I did; upon further thinking it doesn't make sense.

Then maybe consider the possibility that the TMC reporter is talking out of his ass and that some way to bump a ship that is fully inside the forcefield without the bumper having access to the POS shield has been found.

We all know that such methods have existed in the past (penetrate forcefield you don't have access to through warp or cyno , get ejected at high speed, bump ships inside the POS on your way out). If such a method had been found and been brought to the attention of CCP it would only make sense for them to rule it an exploit and lo' and behold the statement they would write would have to look just like the one in front of us.

There's no reason to assume that CCP is even more ******** than usual when the most literal reading of their statement provides an entirely plausible meaning.

exploit details have come to light, turns out I was spot on. Bear

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#65 - 2013-12-07 23:55:28 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Bobby Frutt wrote:
It seems the issue was that supercaps, in a small POS, were very hard to position entirely inside the field. The solution should be: Don't park your supercap in a small POS. Upgrade.

I don't understand the logic in calling this an exploit. When I first read the update I did; upon further thinking it doesn't make sense.

Then maybe consider the possibility that the TMC reporter is talking out of his ass and that some way to bump a ship that is fully inside the forcefield without the bumper having access to the POS shield has been found.

We all know that such methods have existed in the past (penetrate forcefield you don't have access to through warp or cyno , get ejected at high speed, bump ships inside the POS on your way out). If such a method had been found and been brought to the attention of CCP it would only make sense for them to rule it an exploit and lo' and behold the statement they would write would have to look just like the one in front of us.

There's no reason to assume that CCP is even more ******** than usual when the most literal reading of their statement provides an entirely plausible meaning.

exploit details have come to light, turns out I was spot on. Bear



That's :tinfoil: for you. People just love to talk about things that they have far less than full information on, and assume the sky is falling.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#66 - 2013-12-08 00:22:32 UTC
This thread delivers. :)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-12-08 01:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums wrote:

I think CCP is totally wrong banning people for this

If they don't want it to happen then fix the damn game mechanic

Not just ban people because their own game mechanics arent working as supposed.

Not our fault your game mechanics are as they are, you want us to behave a certain way then fix your own game mechanics

You are wrong banning people for this.

Made easy to read.

Also, it's a lot easier said than done, fixing broken game mechanics. You don't work for CCP, so you have no clue whatsoever as to the complexity of the programming involved here.

Vera Algaert wrote:
Bobby Frutt wrote:
It seems the issue was that supercaps, in a small POS, were very hard to position entirely inside the field. The solution should be: Don't park your supercap in a small POS. Upgrade.

I don't understand the logic in calling this an exploit. When I first read the update I did; upon further thinking it doesn't make sense.

Then maybe consider the possibility that the TMC reporter is talking out of his ass and that some way to bump a ship that is fully inside the forcefield without the bumper having access to the POS shield has been found.

We all know that such methods have existed in the past (penetrate forcefield you don't have access to through warp or cyno , get ejected at high speed, bump ships inside the POS on your way out). If such a method had been found and been brought to the attention of CCP it would only make sense for them to rule it an exploit and lo' and behold the statement they would write would have to look just like the one in front of us.

There's no reason to assume that CCP is even more ******** than usual when the most literal reading of their statement provides an entirely plausible meaning.

I tried explaining this to my CEO, but he was really drunk at the time and kept going on about titans and supers with their asses hanging out in small POSes. Heh.
(Hi Jmay).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#68 - 2013-12-08 01:56:42 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I tried explaining this to my CEO, but he was really drunk at the time and kept going on about titans and supers with their asses hanging out in small POSes. Heh.
(Hi Jmay).

man, those small poses are deadly

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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
#69 - 2013-12-08 03:38:39 UTC
hi cat here

i think ccp is noble and honourable because they have made this decree as it was only used by people looking to take away from other peoples hard works so i think it is a good thing because many people want to have save ships and stuff so it is annoying if other people cannot defend them

maybe someone can make a POS defence league lol

x
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-12-08 03:54:28 UTC
So it's back to cutting their power? Sad Bail is expensive, CCP.
Onictus
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2013-12-08 05:10:48 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
So who died to cause this ruling?


Don't know who the victim was this time, but it seems CCP logs have improved over the years. They went from "Our logs show nothing" to "Our logs show everything".



Try petitioning something.

The logs still show nothing I'll wager.
Daquaris
People of the Saiya
Silent Company
#72 - 2013-12-08 07:27:11 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
So it's back to cutting their power? Sad Bail is expensive, CCP.


It's the only way to be sure.
Onictus
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2013-12-08 07:38:00 UTC
Nuking them from orbit is the only way to be sure.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#74 - 2013-12-08 12:14:23 UTC
Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums wrote:
SHOUTING.


please stop it

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#75 - 2013-12-08 16:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
Vald Tegor wrote:
S0mveraa wrote:

So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?


A basic understanding of the English language would indicate that a ship sticking out of the shield is not within the shield, and therefore not protected by this ruling.



I might have suggested using the words "entirely within" just to make the ruling clear and prevent a ton of useless forum debate... maybe.