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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-12-07 04:52:52 UTC
CONCORD already has the Nation flagged as a criminal entity and all that entails.

To place sanctions upon the Empire as you describe, would require the removal of the Empire from the CONCORD Assembly. How do you propose this is possible, given current politics of status quo? To remove the Empire from the Assembly would mean nothing more than the dissolution of CONCORD and the potential of total war, not the abolishment of slavery by any extent that I can see.

In truth, your sentiments hinge on convincing the corporations of the State to back your proposal since the Republic and Federation are already hostile to the Empire? What do the Caldari people gain from removing the Empire from the Assembly and embarking on the path of hostilities towards an Amarr Empire that has maintained forthright accord, respect, and tolerance towards the State?

I see nothing to be gained but placing the State in a tenuous military, political, and economic situation by breaking the present state of alliance with the Empire.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2013-12-07 05:41:50 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
CONCORD already has the Nation flagged as a criminal entity and all that entails.

To place sanctions upon the Empire as you describe, would require the removal of the Empire from the CONCORD Assembly. How do you propose this is possible, given current politics of status quo? To remove the Empire from the Assembly would mean nothing more than the dissolution of CONCORD and the potential of total war, not the abolishment of slavery by any extent that I can see.

In truth, your sentiments hinge on convincing the corporations of the State to back your proposal since the Republic and Federation are already hostile to the Empire? What do the Caldari people gain from removing the Empire from the Assembly and embarking on the path of hostilities towards an Amarr Empire that has maintained forthright accord, respect, and tolerance towards the State?

I see nothing to be gained but placing the State in a tenuous military, political, and economic situation by breaking the present state of alliance with the Empire.

I'd say this pretty much sums up my own thoughts on the matter... It sounds good on paper, but you should look closely at the implications.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2013-12-07 12:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Drake Ashigaru alliance bio: "If you are the type who would rather build something instead of shooting someone to earn your isk you might want to contact us about membership.

However we do not intend to be toothless carebears we will not start a fight but we certainly intend to win any forced upon us."

Ferro Mapindazi's personal bio: "Ransom income is up and topped over 3 billion isk last month, good job you pirates!"

Oh the hypocrisy ...

Meanwhile ... "We have successfully prosecuted 2 wars without losing a single ship to our opponents"

Verily, all of New Eden doth tremble.

In reality, all we really have here folks is your dull, stereotypical pirate/thug, concerned with nothing except lining his own pockets, and trying to justify it all to the rest of the cluster by doing the knee-jerk "I happen to be Minmatar so I'm going an an anti-slavery crusade" routine.

He may as well call his company "Gankstas Inc" or something more appropriate to his true nature - namely, that of a common criminal, and nothing more.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-12-07 14:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
"We do not want genocide. We simply want to poison non-slaveholder residents of a caste-system population with Insorum, infer we can starve out an entire faction with sanctions..."

To borrow a turn of phrase from the federation?

PROTIP: You can neither station or gatecamp 40% of the Cluster population.

Oddly.. we are also no "carebears".

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#25 - 2013-12-07 15:41:00 UTC
Blaise Cadelanne wrote:
The Nation is not bound by any laws,


Just a note here because I hate it when SYNE pilots get things so factually incorrect, but this is factually incorrect.

We follow stricter laws than YOU do, we just don't follow CONCORD's laws.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-12-07 17:04:48 UTC
More wannabe 'pirates.'

Come back when you kill more then you lose.


Sabik now, Sabik forever
Ferro Mapindazi
#27 - 2013-12-07 22:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferro Mapindazi
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Drake Ashigaru alliance bio: "If you are the type who would rather build something instead of shooting someone to earn your isk you might want to contact us about membership.

However we do not intend to be toothless carebears we will not start a fight but we certainly intend to win any forced upon us."

Ferro Mapindazi's personal bio: "Ransom income is up and topped over 3 billion isk last month, good job you pirates!"

Oh the hypocrisy ...

Meanwhile ... "We have successfully prosecuted 2 wars without losing a single ship to our opponents"

Verily, all of New Eden doth tremble.

In reality, all we really have here folks is your dull, stereotypical pirate/thug, concerned with nothing except lining his own pockets, and trying to justify it all to the rest of the cluster by doing the knee-jerk "I happen to be Minmatar so I'm going an an anti-slavery crusade" routine.

He may as well call his company "Gankstas Inc" or something more appropriate to his true nature - namely, that of a common criminal, and nothing more.
You are surprised we collect ransom from pilots we snare in low or null sec space? Welcome to EVE.

You are surprised that some things said in a public document are outdated and not 100% accurate? Welcome to EVE.

We all have day jobs. That does not mean we should not stand up against slavery. You can call me names if that makes you feel better. Given the opportunity I'll let you pay a ransom to escape alive in your pod. Just part of my day job.

Allowing pilots to pay ransoms does keep the killmail count low but we work for isk.

All of EVE tremble because of our tiny war record ..... I think not.

We are a small time operation, a small alliance. Fortunately it does not always require a fleet of 100 ships to be effective.

I look forward to what a mighty pilot like you will teach us simple thuggish common criminal hypocrites.

**Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic! Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.
Ferro Mapindazi
#28 - 2013-12-07 23:09:10 UTC
Arista Shahni wrote:
"We do not want genocide. We simply want to poison non-slaveholder residents of a caste-system population with Insorum, infer we can starve out an entire faction with sanctions...".
I find it interesting that those who witness the horror of slavery up close feel no guilt. If the cure for enslaved people threatens those standing by watching and profiting from the drugs used to enslave the people in shackles they should move away from the evil and the danger its cure represents.

You look for sympathy while offering none to those suffering in front of you.

Surely you can be a better human being then that. That is what I am hoping for, individuals will recognize they are better then the slavery system they were born into. if the amarr people reject the evils of slavery the imperial cult will be forced to change course.

**Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic! Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-12-07 23:09:57 UTC
Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Drake Ashigaru alliance bio: "If you are the type who would rather build something instead of shooting someone to earn your isk you might want to contact us about membership.

However we do not intend to be toothless carebears we will not start a fight but we certainly intend to win any forced upon us."

Ferro Mapindazi's personal bio: "Ransom income is up and topped over 3 billion isk last month, good job you pirates!"

Oh the hypocrisy ...

Meanwhile ... "We have successfully prosecuted 2 wars without losing a single ship to our opponents"

Verily, all of New Eden doth tremble.

In reality, all we really have here folks is your dull, stereotypical pirate/thug, concerned with nothing except lining his own pockets, and trying to justify it all to the rest of the cluster by doing the knee-jerk "I happen to be Minmatar so I'm going an an anti-slavery crusade" routine.

He may as well call his company "Gankstas Inc" or something more appropriate to his true nature - namely, that of a common criminal, and nothing more.
You are surprised we collect ransom from pilots we snare in low or null sec space? Welcome to EVE.

You are surprised that some things said in a public document are outdated and not 100% accurate? Welcome to EVE.

We all have day jobs. That does not mean we should not stand up against slavery. You can call me names if that makes you feel better. Given the opportunity I'll let you pay a ransom to escape alive in your pod. Just part of my day job.

Allowing pilots to pay ransoms does keep the killmail count low but we work for isk.

All of EVE tremble because of our tiny war record ..... I think not.

We are a small time operation, a small alliance. Fortunately it does not always require a fleet of 100 ships to be effective.

I look forward to what a mighty pilot like you will teach us simple thuggish common criminal hypocrites.



Silas looks off camera: "Judges Ruling?"

Silas nods.

" 1/10"





Sabik now, Sabik forever
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#30 - 2013-12-08 01:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
New Eden deserves a better class of criminal.

Meanwhile, talk to the Disciples of Ston sometime and check their records. I've probably put more people in "slave amnesty" centers than you have.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Slave A00073078
Northern Raven Reconnaissance Syndicate
#31 - 2013-12-08 01:06:34 UTC
Not like capsuleers have ever cared about laws.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2013-12-08 08:55:22 UTC
I do not see why the Amarr Empire should bother negociating with what seems like freedom fighter demands, which, as far as I remember, are still flagged as a criminal entity by CONCORD itself to that day.

If I am assuming too much, then I do not see why the Amarr Empire should negociate with people that can only paint slavery with broad stroke and did not even bother to actually look at facts.

You would have called for a reform (contrary to an eradication), I am sure you would have garnered a lot more support.
Blaise Cadelanne
The Synenose Accord
#33 - 2013-12-09 17:47:37 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Blaise Cadelanne wrote:
The Nation is not bound by any laws,


Just a note here because I hate it when SYNE pilots get things so factually incorrect, but this is factually incorrect.

We follow stricter laws than YOU do, we just don't follow CONCORD's laws.


My sincerest apologies. I did not mean to call your organizational laws into question, I was referring to CONCORD laws when stating that the Nation is not bound by any laws. I am sure that you follow your laws closely.

Blaise Cadelanne

They bid me take my place among them, In the halls of Valhalla! Where the brave may live forever!”
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#34 - 2013-12-09 19:13:12 UTC
Blaise Cadelanne wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Blaise Cadelanne wrote:
The Nation is not bound by any laws,


Just a note here because I hate it when SYNE pilots get things so factually incorrect, but this is factually incorrect.

We follow stricter laws than YOU do, we just don't follow CONCORD's laws.


My sincerest apologies. I did not mean to call your organizational laws into question, I was referring to CONCORD laws when stating that the Nation is not bound by any laws. I am sure that you follow your laws closely.


Appreciated.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#35 - 2013-12-10 13:34:19 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Ohhh Leopold ... what the fark have your Angels been selling in Minmatar space lately? Seriously, you need to start finding test subjects for your new drug markets that aren't already psychotic to begin with. I'm sure we can find some condemned murders or something that we can make vanish from official records. Cheap.


I suppose you must've ran into a bad batch. Happens. Just offer a lower price next time; that's how the free market works after all.

Ferro Mapindazi wrote:

You look for sympathy while offering none to those suffering in front of you.


Standard fanatic/zealot/freedom-fighter rhetoric. 'I may be a homicidal maniac, but at least I'm not as bad as those guys I'm shooting at.'
Might want to look at the mirror a bit; you might find yourself to share much in common with that which you hate so fervourously.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Ferro Mapindazi
#36 - 2013-12-10 17:57:29 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:


Ferro Mapindazi wrote:

You look for sympathy while offering none to those suffering in front of you.


Standard fanatic/zealot/freedom-fighter rhetoric. 'I may be a homicidal maniac, but at least I'm not as bad as those guys I'm shooting at.'
Might want to look at the mirror a bit; you might find yourself to share much in common with that which you hate so fervourously.
Perhaps I misread your corp rules of conduct that prohibit smack talking anywhere.

Or perhaps it is just an outdated rule you have since rejected but not remembered to delete from your posted code of conduct. These things happen as I can attest to myself.

For the record I do not hate neither the amarr, nor their ammatar puppets. The act of slavery is what is inhuman, and I hope to dissuade decent people from continuing to allow/ support it by every effective means at my disposal.

**Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic! Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.
Anslo
Scope Works
#37 - 2013-12-10 18:18:14 UTC
Or perhaps you are literally so annoying that even the most upstanding individual would politely tell you to **** off.

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Ferro Mapindazi
#38 - 2013-12-10 18:23:13 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Or perhaps you are literally so annoying that even the most upstanding individual would politely tell you to **** off.
I will defer to your proven expertise in this regard sir.

**Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic! Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.
Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#39 - 2013-12-11 21:11:13 UTC
Pick your fights.

Slavery in the Empire is horrific but there is not going to be an end to it via direct intervention without the death of millions.

Slavery among the pirate organisations ie. the Angel Cartel, The Blood Raiders, Sansha's Nation is often far more horrific, and you can do more about it.
Cuci Cairi
#40 - 2013-12-11 22:24:59 UTC
Ferro Mapindazi wrote:

For the record I do not hate neither the amarr, nor their ammatar puppets. The act of slavery is what is inhuman, and I hope to dissuade decent people from continuing to allow/ support it by every effective means at my disposal.


The key phrase there is "effective means". Why do you think that your means will be any more successful than those who have failed before you? Why individual eggers think they can transform the cluster through the sheer power of their words is beyond me. It will be easier for you once you realize that you are not special, your righteous indignation is not unique, and your attempts to reform the entirety of the cluster are banal.