Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's why you use tactics and not modules to defeat these people. Very rarely will I go out in a ship fit with two scrams. I fit to fight people who fight back. But you can be damned sure if I warp into a plex and someone's just parked on the far side of the button, not moving, I will burn over there and try to kill them, too. It's usually a good tip-off that someone is AFK/tabbed out if they don't move and don't try to target you back until they're already half dead.

As a matter of fact, I do.

That doesn't change the fact that you can often use superior tactics to defeat these people, instead of using multiple scrams and gimping your fit.

I so do enjoy that rather large chunk of null bears that are always so keenly interested in game balance even as they ask for a game balance crushing change to the game. You can already cancel out the effects of three stabs with just one scram. I have not looked at the fittings of every ship in the game but I'm pretty confident that means there are exactly ZERO ships in the game that are impossible to scram if you fit your ship properly.

So let's say what you are really asking for. You want low to zero risk kill mails of exploration frigates but don't want your ship weakened the least bit least you become dinner for some other null bear that prefers more fight in his prey, namely you.

This was brought up at a Fanfest 2013 roundtable for Faction Warfare if I remember correctly.

The DEVs explained they were hesitant to outright ban certain modules simply because people didn't like them or it didn't fit into how they thought people should "play." Rather, if they perceived that there is a problem they prefer that an "organic" solution be developed to discourage the use of certain tactics/modules, but would never outright prevent anyone from using them.

How is one extra point a big sacrifice? These pilots chose their fitting, you choose yours. Why should people that want nothing to do with you have the game altered to be forced to deal with you in your way?

They have to sacrifice 2 low slots to counter your 1mid slot. unless of course youre using a faction point with more strength but i'm just going to assume you never bothered to check those out, or you brought a friend with a point of their own, or you fit 2 normal points yourself, you fly a interdictor.

Wow I never realized what few options you truly had to deal with one mechanic that's a counter to another. /s

It's not out of balance. You have a single module to stop them from warping, in order to counter that module they need their own (two modules depending on scram vs disruptor). you're complaining about using 2 modules to counter their one modules which they fitted to counter your original one module? one to one counters. I see nothing out of balance here.


If you're trying to catch people who don't want to fight, then honestly sacrificing one extra mid slot to catch them wont be that much of a sacrifice because they probably wont be fitted to fight you anyway. So honestly easy kill.


tl;dr use your brain you have plenty of options without CCP feeding your target to you.

What an utterly terrible idea. Your gank victim got away, deal with it.

because it has to be 2 scrams 2x dis will never do so it eliminates all options but 2x scrams which:
- seriously gimps every frigate fit to the extend were you cant compete with any other seriously fitted frigate
- it eliminates the posibility to catch people with a dis what ist nearly mandatory to catch anyone in fw sites who isn't dumb.

so you trade both abilities either to catch most people who not fly afk and the ability to fight them, ho is this not a big sacrifice?



the probem here is that with their fittings they eliminate their risk without being penalized for it.
it does not mater to the to have the penalties warp stabs have.


as stated above its not about countering and counter coutering . i dont want to ban warp stabs in general because in lager ships theres no problem with warp stabs.
most ships have 3 stabs so the only way is 2x scrams
interdictors arent allowed in low.
and bringing 2x people actively playing to catch one not actively playing should tell you theres something wrong....

no no no. you already ner fyoru ship by fitting stabs anyway, shorter lock range, longer lock time. kind of makeing it useless in pvp.

PS. quite whineing. targets getting away? MOAR SCRAM!! or Dictor Infinity-Point!. thats the counter to core stabs. so skill up for dictors (sabre is a good one)

dictor/heavydic waiting on a gate or station. use t1 frig to flush them out. job done! but have you even tried to fly with warpcore stabs? its aweful and i think they are justified and balanced as they are. all i can say is if your hunting make sure you take a friend and double scram the target (more if its a ship that has more lows) a simple dscan down the jumpgate tells you the ship you will be fighting/hunting. L2 INTEL!


ps if its a TL;DR.. a simple dscan then change fit for the type of fight you expect. thats basic eve knoledge.. or better yet always fly dual scam, that way no need to refit and you should always catch those pesky WCS plexers :P

ill try to make it clear a last time
its not about me being disapointed to not catch them. (if i encounter those i just fly somewhere else and search for peope who actually want to fight or atleast take the risk to end up in a fight.
even if you take the huge effort to kill them you end up with a kill mail from an 2-4 week old alt in a ship worth the hull +meta 0 fit)

its about them making money without actually take the risks intended to go along with those activities.
smallscale pvp improved drastically with the fw sites in there current sate but there are those people who abuse them.

to me its an abuse making pvp intended content an pve only thing.