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Are the days of Local really numbered?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-12-07 06:41:01 UTC
yes local stifles all PvP in nullsec and nobody fights over anything there because it's impossible to

oh wait that is totally bullshit

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2013-12-07 06:42:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
This discussion will get a little more entertaining in a few weeks time.

I eagerly await the news.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-12-07 06:45:45 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
words


clearly the solution to the mechanics being edged towards the defender's favor are to completely screw the defender and make them sheep to the wolves

"ratters in 0.0 solely exist as targets and nothing else, they should have no way of avoiding danger and they should be required to put up a fight, which they of course would lose every time because ratters stand zero chance against roaming gangs"

oh and "I dislike the fact that hostiles won't drop supers for my risk-averse ass to drop my supercapital blob on because they see my cyno alt in local"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-12-07 06:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's less about any threat to existing groups and more about what certain people/groups (e.g. Marlona Sky) want handed to them on a silver platter.
They seem to forget there's already somewhere in EVE they can go to play without local, but we all know they won't go there.



I have read enough "remove local" threads to conclude that local is double edged and if you remove it, nobody really benefits from the loss. Having it in place, the benefit is equal.

With local, you get instant intel. So does the other guy.

Without local, you don't get instant intel. Neither does the other guy.

So please define for us pubbies (I am a Pubbie Overlord according to Joepopo) what exactly will be on that "silver platter" that you are worried about.



let's also remove metrics like NPC kills, ship kills, development indices, player ships in space, and gate jumps from the in-game map and API, because they are also a source of instant, reliable and free intel

or would that make the life of the hunter too miserable abloobloobloo why is this challenging

oh and also watchlists, notifications of structures under attack, SBU mails, etc etc etc: it all has to go because clearly eve online has to be a tedious game that requires eyes peeled on every gate, moon and station in every system for people to gather intel

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-12-07 06:54:24 UTC
Someone has missed their daily medication I see.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2013-12-07 07:01:22 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Yeah, rat bounties will totally go up. Not.
Also, faction/deadspace/officer modules at 20x their prices won't sell. So keep dreaming.
.


They sold before at super high prices, they'll sell again, but please carry on standing up strawmen its funny.

The change will happen eventually, and I'll be sure to come find you and remind you of how right I am, poor lil fella.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2013-12-07 07:03:43 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's less about any threat to existing groups and more about what certain people/groups (e.g. Marlona Sky) want handed to them on a silver platter.
They seem to forget there's already somewhere in EVE they can go to play without local, but we all know they won't go there.



I have read enough "remove local" threads to conclude that local is double edged and if you remove it, nobody really benefits from the loss. Having it in place, the benefit is equal.

With local, you get instant intel. So does the other guy.

Without local, you don't get instant intel. Neither does the other guy.

So please define for us pubbies (I am a Pubbie Overlord according to Joepopo) what exactly will be on that "silver platter" that you are worried about.



let's also remove metrics like NPC kills, ship kills, development indices, player ships in space, and gate jumps from the in-game map and API, because they are also a source of instant, reliable and free intel

or would that make the life of the hunter too miserable abloobloobloo why is this challenging

oh and also watchlists, notifications of structures under attack, SBU mails, etc etc etc: it all has to go because clearly eve online has to be a tedious game that requires eyes peeled on every gate, moon and station in every system for people to gather intel


I actually think all that should go too, if you want intel, go get it, with an actual player, sorry that upsets you but its true, all that automation makes it easy.

Also with all your stacked up crap in that last post, nobody is asking that you be made completely helpless unless you personally choose that, you will simply have to do more than warp to anomaly and stare at a chat window to be safe.


Oh the humanity.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2013-12-07 07:06:59 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Yeah, rat bounties will totally go up. Not.
Also, faction/deadspace/officer modules at 20x their prices won't sell. So keep dreaming.
.


They sold before at super high prices, they'll sell again, but please carry on standing up strawmen its funny.

The change will happen eventually, and I'll be sure to come find you and remind you of how right I am, poor lil fella.

How do you plan on finding me? Locator agents? Cause I'm sure those'll go totally untouched.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2013-12-07 07:10:36 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Also with all your stacked up crap in that last post, nobody is asking that you be made completely helpless unless you personally choose that, you will simply have to do more than warp to anomaly and stare at a chat window to be safe.

Oh the humanity.


yes you'll actually have to log in 20 alts to put eyes on every gate in the system you're in, every adjacent system and every system adjacent to those

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2013-12-07 07:11:00 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
you will simply have to do more than warp to anomaly and stare at a chat window to be safe.

Heh. Let's hear your suggestion then.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2013-12-07 07:11:32 UTC
oh and you better not miss that bomber jumping in and cloaking up in one second flat because that guy fitting a cyno and a point is all it takes

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2013-12-07 07:12:55 UTC
Man, poor baby drama queens, if you have to do anything other than stare at a chat window your 0.0 life is over, you heard it here first.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-12-07 07:19:46 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Man, poor baby drama queens, if you have to do anything other than stare at a chat window your 0.0 life is over, you heard it here first.

So you don't have an answer, then.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Anomaly One
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-12-07 07:28:37 UTC
what's this magical world where high sec lvl 4 missions have good pay? yea if you grind them 10 hours a day..
high sec income is ******* horrible :( (I don't do incursions)

Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2013-12-07 07:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Man, poor baby drama queens, if you have to do anything other than stare at a chat window your 0.0 life is over, you heard it here first.

So you don't have an answer, then.



No answer I could give would assuage your bitter butt bereavement, what do you want to hear, that you can rat aligned, that you control where you sit in your anomaly while you do it and the hunter has fixed points of entry? That they made this sweet mod called an MJD that makes repositioning a fairly trivial thing that you can do constantly? That you play an MMO and that perhaps working with a friend could help you because when I do rat, and I do rat, I do it combat fit, and 2 combat fit people have zero concern about a silly cyno cov ops because it dies instantly?

Like exactly what are you looking for here James that would help you understand how incredibly whiney and lazy and entitled you sound when you think that your job should be trivially easy while the people that are actually hunting should have to move heaven and earth for a single kill during a day?

I mean jesus christ man, if you're so incredibly against losing a space ship or putting out any effort to stay safe then just go back to empire where its designed for that, theres not much else I can tell you besides the fact that in this thread you are acting like a baby, a drama queen, and a douche bag over something that is GOING to happen, and has been a long time coming, admitted by CCP's own staff on multiple occasions for years.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2013-12-07 07:36:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Yeah, rat bounties will totally go up. Not.
Also, faction/deadspace/officer modules at 20x their prices won't sell. So keep dreaming.
.


They sold before at super high prices, they'll sell again, but please carry on standing up strawmen its funny.

The change will happen eventually, and I'll be sure to come find you and remind you of how right I am, poor lil fella.

How do you plan on finding me? Locator agents? Cause I'm sure those'll go totally untouched.

Luckily pl doesn't have to defend their renters like progodlegend's group does

more forums time

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2013-12-07 07:36:58 UTC
if you're ratting combat fit you might as well head to empire because the returns will be so **** that you're better off incursion farming

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2013-12-07 07:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Yeah, rat bounties will totally go up. Not.
Also, faction/deadspace/officer modules at 20x their prices won't sell. So keep dreaming.
.


They sold before at super high prices, they'll sell again, but please carry on standing up strawmen its funny.

The change will happen eventually, and I'll be sure to come find you and remind you of how right I am, poor lil fella.

How do you plan on finding me? Locator agents? Cause I'm sure those'll go totally untouched.

Luckily pl doesn't have to defend their renters like progodlegend's group does

more forums time


You mean like today when we had a renters Wyvern get tackled and had to go save it? Yea, we don't defend our renters Roll


Tell me this James, say you rat in an officer fit Nightmare, where are you safer, Empire running lvl 4's or in Goons home space?

Richard Desturned wrote:
if you're ratting combat fit you might as well head to empire because the returns will be so **** that you're better off incursion farming


You can clear over 80 million an hour in Fountain with a Talos and a Scimmie, peddle your lies elsewhere youngin.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#79 - 2013-12-07 07:42:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
This discussion will get a little more entertaining in a few weeks time.

I eagerly await the news.


I don't think you do.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#80 - 2013-12-07 07:44:06 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Luckily pl doesn't have to defend their renters like progodlegend's group does


No they just make EMP go do it rofl!

Renter ratting super tackled go handle that