EVE General Discussion

And saying "durrr 35k coalition" isn't an answer, because people aren't going to sit around guarding ratters for free given the above, and paying them would thin out your income even more. There's no way to make the reward/risk ratio work in your favor here. Might as well go make isk in highsec.

Grath and Marlona both know I'm right about this, they just don't want to admit it.

Well at this point it would appear that a 35K+ coalition is possible by selling the same ISK-snatching carebearism to the members that highsec has to offer. Sorry you feel you have to compete with peoples' weaknesses by appealing to their weaknesses.

(behold the folly of looking for a solution from the same people who are part of the problem - activists take note).


And please read the article. They are not going to just remove local. They will replace it with something else. Everybody can agree on that lest D-Scan spamming becomes the new WTZ bookmark.

Herzog must think that ISK just falls out of the sky in nullsec and that we don't actually have to do anything for it.

I'm not worried, because CCP is never going to remove local without replacing it with something that effectively does the same thing.

Also, you're mistaking top-down income for bottom-up income. I don't get moon and renter ISK directly - it goes into replacing the ships that I lose, upgrades for our systems, sov bills, etc.

Asking for local to be removed isn't asking for risk. It's asking for free kills. It's asking for CCP to take away the one thing that gives people the chance to avoid fights they can't win, provided they're paying attention.

I'll repeat myself for your benefit: it would backfire, because people would simply stop ratting in nullsec.

No. Stop trolling.

Well if I was trolling the first rule is to ignore me not to acknowledge it. Otherwise it shows lack of restraint.

But as I am being serious...

I would point out that CCP makes changes to drive conflict. IE their goal is to make ships blow up.

Hard examples:

Ice mining changes made resources limited. Thereby causing competition between miners which leads to people getting mad over others who strip the belts clean. This leads to people paying gankers to blow up other people. Hell... I've given intel to people blowing up frieghters. If CCP wanted null and low to have more ice production they could have simply made ice mining in those areas quicker, but no... They made the entire resource limited and thereby driving conflict thereby causing more ships to be blown up.

Secondly, the POCO changes were meant to cause more highsec wars to blow up ships over POCO fights.

Then they made warp speed higher on bigger ships and made interceptors faster so that those bigger ships would be tackled and blown up more.

I could go on, but you see where this leads us.

If CCP can make your ship blow up they will get around to making it so.

So that might mean local will go away some day.



CCP purposely makes changes to cause ships to be blown up.

Yes, you, you are the people that want something handed to them on a silver platter, and that is the ability to safely make money. Sorry, theres a place you can do that, its called empire.

If you say all the people that rat in Null would leave, I say sweet, that makes everything that spawns or drops in Null worth 20 times as much because there will be less people farming it, massively upping the reward compared to the risk



Sure, just because we think you should have to work for your intel and not just look at a window we should have to go probe down every gate to roam around, or you're an idiot, idk which one is more accurate but I have a good guess.

Your crying in this thread is fairly epic, its been stated over and over by CCP themselves (whom you can't really call wrong, its their vision and their game) that Local gives too much intel.

So when they finally get around to fixing the broken Predator Prey mechanics of 0.0, you will get some intel back in whatever new form it comes in, but you certainly won't get it all back, because again, in CCPs own words, Local is too powerful of an Intel tool.

If thats unacceptable to you and the larger portion of your ilk, then I hope you enjoy ratting in empire for 1/20th of the profits that those who prepare properly for and brave the dangers of 0.0 for their earnings. I also anticipate greatly watching you try and defend your homes while you're sitting in Empire grinding L4's.

This discussion will get a little more entertaining in a few weeks time.