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Starbase Forcefield Bumpin 'exploit'.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-12-06 23:22:03 UTC
Pedo Thellere wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
No. Read the announcement again, this time with eyes open.

What about the announcement could he have possibly misread? They say we can no longer take advantage of idiot cap/supercap pilots who are sitting in a small pos with their asses hanging out in the breeze. How is that an exploit? There are many ways to prevent this such as BUY A BIGGER POS. It really is a bullshit call.

What are you even on about? They didn't mention anything about parts of ships sticking out of the shield. Unless you can actually provide an example that shows this was the exploit being used your post is just meaningless hysteria.

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S0mveraa
If You're Reading This You Suck
#42 - 2013-12-06 23:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: S0mveraa
It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?



Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?


As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP.


EDIT: Oh right ...over the years i've head " our logs show nothing" so many times ..I don't even put in petitions for obvious crap anymore......You just told every player (that's probably most of us) who have seen " our logs show nothing". That YOU WERE FREKING LYING THE WHOLE TIME! Really ..you can see a collision ? WOW that's some detailed logs ...Wonder how they never show anything else...
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#43 - 2013-12-06 23:30:26 UTC
S0mveraa wrote:
It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?



Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?


As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP.



If you're /inside/ the shield, it's fine.

Quote:
from outside without having the correct password or corporation/alliance permissions as configured in the tower settings, is considered an exploit.

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#44 - 2013-12-06 23:31:41 UTC
S0mveraa wrote:
It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?



Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?


As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP.
Are you in the wrong thread?
I ask because, while you did post in a thread about some specific uses of POS shields and their protection / lack thereof being against the rules, your post did not in any way give a hint to being on that particular subject.
In fact, one could think that your "spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage." would be strenghtened.

For the rest of the hysteria... Why are the CFC members the somewhat sensible here?
S0mveraa
If You're Reading This You Suck
#45 - 2013-12-06 23:31:45 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
S0mveraa wrote:
It's not an "exploit". It fits right in with the very spirit of eve. Corporate theft and espionage. If you take this out, you will have to make joining someone's corp to steal stuff, a ban able offense, or take off POS shield passwords at all. You've made some bad decisions recently CCP....but REALLY. What in the WORLD are you thinking?



Does this effect Titans poking their heads out to bridge a whole fleet? What you mean to tell me is, it's ok for that to happen ..but not for someone to bump them out and murder them? I've got to ask CCP ...who's proverbial phallus are you on right now?


As a wormhole dweller...I have no issues with bumping stuff out of pos's, especially if your security let in a spy to learn pos passwords. It's a part of the game ..take it out ......change some stuff ...or screw off CCP.



If you're /inside/ the shield, it's fine.

Quote:
from outside without having the correct password or corporation/alliance permissions as configured in the tower settings, is considered an exploit.



So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#46 - 2013-12-06 23:49:44 UTC
S0mveraa wrote:

So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?


A basic understanding of the English language would indicate that a ship sticking out of the shield is not within the shield, and therefore not protected by this ruling.
Molenius Morrowinger
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-12-07 00:40:59 UTC
In sandbox I want to bump whatever I want wherever I want. And deal with consequences.
Otherwise it is theme park.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#48 - 2013-12-07 00:46:16 UTC
S0mveraa wrote:



So that goes back to my other question. No bumping titan's out sticking their huge heads out to bridge? Why not just make 'em gtfo of pos shields all the way to do it ?

Can you target said titan sticking it's head out?
If so, then it is outside the shield for sure.

If you can't target said titan, report it as an exploit the other way if it can bridge while technically inside the POS shield as far as targeting goes.

If you can't target it, then it 'probably' counts as inside the POS shield, as the pilot of it can't shoot at you in order to stop you, but CCP clarification on if that applies would be a good thing.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#49 - 2013-12-07 02:29:00 UTC
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-12-07 03:02:10 UTC
Molenius Morrowinger wrote:
In sandbox I want to bump whatever I want wherever I want. And deal with consequences.
Otherwise it is theme park.


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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-12-07 03:51:54 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
I'd be quite happy to see the elimination of POS bubbles, replacing it with a different mechanic. Such as the ability to anchor a super cap to a structure, locking it down.


That's certainly been suggested by CCP as the way things will be going. AOE effects like POS bubbles make CCP Veritas cry.




Edit:

For people who didn't read the notification properly:

This isn't about AWOXers bumping ships out so their mates can steal/explode them.

This is about people outside the POS bubble, bumping a ship that is technically Inside the bubble, so that the ship leaves the bubble.


It use to be called pos bowling
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#52 - 2013-12-07 03:57:02 UTC
It is an exploit. I think most griefers will agree with this ruling, as it doesn't stop awoxing, infiltration, and all the usual shenanigans we know and love.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-12-07 07:44:10 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's not an exploit to bump a ship out of the pos if you're legitimately able to enter the pos shields. This includes guessing the password or learning it through espionage.

If the shields are supposed to keep you out though, then you shouldn't be able to bump something out of them.

I'm not aware of how this exploit works but I agree with CCP's call here.

I feel I should clarify my position here: I would actually agree with some of the other posters here that if a portion of the collision sphere of the ship is outside of the shields, then one should be able to use that to bump a ship out of the shields. Again I don't know if that's actually how the exploit is supposed to work, but if it is then it shouldn't be an exploit.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

McDarila
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-12-07 08:19:27 UTC
I would now like to take the time remind everyone that was in or part way pos shield and bumped out to ask for their titan back. I sure there are a number that we(the CFC) would like refunded. Like wise I beleve BoB, Test, and few others are in the same boat.

l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#55 - 2013-12-07 08:51:21 UTC
Exploiting that the server works in one second ticks and thus getting inside the FF for a second sounds like an exploit to me.

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Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-12-07 10:12:14 UTC
It seems the issue was that supercaps, in a small POS, were very hard to position entirely inside the field. The solution should be: Don't park your supercap in a small POS. Upgrade.

I don't understand the logic in calling this an exploit. When I first read the update I did; upon further thinking it doesn't make sense.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-12-07 10:15:18 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Exploiting that the server works in one second ticks and thus getting inside the FF for a second sounds like an exploit to me.


Would all checks regardless of which second they happen not be validated with the same FF password rules?

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-12-07 11:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Bobby Frutt wrote:
It seems the issue was that supercaps, in a small POS, were very hard to position entirely inside the field. The solution should be: Don't park your supercap in a small POS. Upgrade.

I don't understand the logic in calling this an exploit. When I first read the update I did; upon further thinking it doesn't make sense.

Then maybe consider the possibility that the TMC reporter is talking out of his ass and that some way to bump a ship that is fully inside the forcefield without the bumper having access to the POS shield has been found.

We all know that such methods have existed in the past (penetrate forcefield you don't have access to through warp or cyno , get ejected at high speed, bump ships inside the POS on your way out). If such a method had been found and been brought to the attention of CCP it would only make sense for them to rule it an exploit and lo' and behold the statement they would write would have to look just like the one in front of us.

There's no reason to assume that CCP is even more ******** than usual when the most literal reading of their statement provides an entirely plausible meaning.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-12-07 11:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
In related news my FC yesterday was 100% convinced that the statement means that CCP has banned the use of pos passwords that you have acquired via spies to enter the shields of a hostile POS without its owners' authorization.

It's like people read the caption of the announcement and then just let their imagination run wild, the more outlandish the claim the better.

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Lee Janssen
Zero Fun Allowed
#60 - 2013-12-07 14:10:35 UTC
Amusing thread is amusing.