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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#1021 - 2013-12-06 17:16:20 UTC
On the RR module as the issue..

I'm not sure that CCP actually touched the Logistics Ships or the Heavy Interdictors in their whole Rebalancing Initiative. I know the Logi ships have been touched up gradually throughout the years (Oneiros isn't as terrible as it used to be), but I don't believe they touched them at all with the whole Tiertricide. As the frigates and T1 logi cruisers all got retouched, I'm not sure they (ccp) would bother redoing the repair module as a whole...

Though if they do redo it, now would be about the right time.

Yaay!!!!
Nimrodion
Xanthium Prime
#1022 - 2013-12-06 17:16:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimrodion
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Nestor - PvE Fit

High -
- Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Medium Remote Armor Repair System II OR Large Remote Armor Repair System II (Depending how much CPU and PG I have)
- Medium Remote Armor Repair System II OR Large Remote Armor Repair System II (Depending how much CPU and PG I have)

Medium -
- Cap Recharger II
- Cap Recharger II
- Cap Recharger II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Low -
- Corpus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rig -
- Large Anti-Explosive Pump II
- Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
- Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Drones -
- x5 Garde II
- x5 Bouncer II
- x5 Hammerhead II
- x5 Valkyrie II
- x5 Hobgoblin II
- x5 Warrior II

Repairers are for my drones or for anyone I'm helping do L4, 10 sites or havens/sancs. Is more than good enough for L4s, and should do alright in 10 sites or havens/sancs IF there isn't any neuting. I think it will be a good ship to help people do missions or sites with. I can help with DPS and also help rep them if they end up in trouble. Anyone that can do the numbers and give me an idea of the DPS, lasers and sentry range, it's tank, and remote repairer range and amount this could put out I'd be grateful :^ )

I also have a couple ideas for PvP fits and an exploring fit, all in do time.


You can't fit it that way, not enough powergrid.. Nestor doesn't have enough just for guns, not to mention the rest..
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1023 - 2013-12-06 17:18:31 UTC
not even with the med remote repairers?
Nimrodion
Xanthium Prime
#1024 - 2013-12-06 17:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimrodion
Base power grid is 11250 which can be expanded to around 14k with max skills. Even with max skills Tachyons use over 16k. You can't fit a full set of guns without using some fitting mods..

EDIT: You can, but are limited to either Dual Heavy Pulses, Mega Pulses or Dual Heavy Beam
marVLs
#1025 - 2013-12-06 17:24:42 UTC
Why would You use Nestor for lvl4s and anoms when there's Domi or navy domi or rattler...
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1026 - 2013-12-06 17:27:09 UTC
Well that blows a hard one. Think large T2 pusles would work?

I'm using a Nestor because I can. I'm rich and bored haha
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1027 - 2013-12-06 17:45:43 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
On the RR module as the issue..

I'm not sure that CCP actually touched the Logistics Ships or the Heavy Interdictors in their whole Rebalancing Initiative. I know the Logi ships have been touched up gradually throughout the years (Oneiros isn't as terrible as it used to be), but I don't believe they touched them at all with the whole Tiertricide. As the frigates and T1 logi cruisers all got retouched, I'm not sure they (ccp) would bother redoing the repair module as a whole...

Though if they do redo it, now would be about the right time.


fyi for armor fleets oneiros is extreamly popular.

i will give you a hint its call sig radius. Blink

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#1028 - 2013-12-06 17:45:50 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Rise, why to stick up so many bonuses jsut to mak e RR useful? Why not use this opportunity to rebalance the remote repairier themselves. Increase their base range, while nerfign the range bonus on logistic ships?


When a module absolutely NEEDS a 100% bonus to be usable, then surely somethign is wrogn in the module, not in the ship.



Yeah well, wait till people realize that there is no cap bonus and you need a cap chain to run the bonused reppers, remember a Guardian at logi 5 has a 75% reduction to repper AND transfer cap consupmtion, this isn't getting that.



Yeah, you are quite correct.
I took a look at an Armageddon, which has precisely the same base cap. (not sure on the recharge rate, but I assume it is close)

I filled the highs with 3 Large Solace reppers, and 4 Large T2 cap Transfers.


I don't get why people are talking about fitting cap transfers onto this thing. It doesn't get any bonuses to Energy Transfer Array range or amount, so the ETA's just energy wasted. It'd be like stuffing ETAs onto a Tempest: useless. Worse than useless, really, because trying to run a cap chain w/these things means you're actually making the entire chain less cap-efficient, not more.

Is there some reason to chain these up, other than preventing enemy neuts? Because as it is, I feel like chaining them up just means you're doing the neuting for them.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1029 - 2013-12-06 17:47:47 UTC
It needs one more low slot.

And +2 warp core strength

And MJD bonuses

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1030 - 2013-12-06 17:48:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
marVLs wrote:
Why would You use Nestor for lvl4s and anoms when there's Domi or navy domi or rattler...

Because it's an awesome, new ship- I use a domi but I want to try this out too Big smile

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1031 - 2013-12-06 17:52:46 UTC
Nestor - PvE Fit

High -
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
- Medium Remote Armor Repair System II

Medium -
- Cap Recharger II
- Cap Recharger II
- Cap Recharger II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Low -
- Corpus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rig -
- Large Anti-Explosive Pump II
- Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
- Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Drones -
- x5 Garde II
- x5 Bouncer II
- x5 Hammerhead II
- x5 Valkyrie II
- x5 Hobgoblin II
- x5 Warrior II

Seems Tachyon's won't fit on this boat not enough PG, so I'll be using either Megas or Duel. Also Domis blow either get this or a Rattlesnake :^)

Repairers are for my drones or for anyone I'm helping do L4, 10 sites or havens/sancs. Is more than good enough for L4s, and should do alright in 10 sites or havens/sancs IF there isn't any neuting. I think it will be a good ship to help people do missions or sites with. I can help with DPS and also help rep them if they end up in trouble. Anyone that can do the numbers and give me an idea of the DPS, lasers and sentry range, it's tank, and remote repairer range and amount this could put out I'd be grateful :^ )

I also have a couple ideas for PvP fits and an exploring fit, all in do time.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1032 - 2013-12-06 18:01:19 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Nestor - PvE Fit

High -
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Mega Beam Laser II or Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora L / Gleam L
- Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
- Medium Remote Armor Repair System II

Medium -
- Cap Recharger II
- Cap Recharger II
- Cap Recharger II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Low -
- Corpus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rig -
- Large Anti-Explosive Pump II
- Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
- Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Drones -
- x5 Garde II
- x5 Bouncer II
- x5 Hammerhead II
- x5 Valkyrie II
- x5 Hobgoblin II
- x5 Warrior II

Seems Tachyon's won't fit on this boat not enough PG, so I'll be using either Megas or Duel. Also Domis blow either get this or a Rattlesnake :^)

Repairers are for my drones or for anyone I'm helping do L4, 10 sites or havens/sancs. Is more than good enough for L4s, and should do alright in 10 sites or havens/sancs IF there isn't any neuting. I think it will be a good ship to help people do missions or sites with. I can help with DPS and also help rep them if they end up in trouble. Anyone that can do the numbers and give me an idea of the DPS, lasers and sentry range, it's tank, and remote repairer range and amount this could put out I'd be grateful :^ )

I also have a couple ideas for PvP fits and an exploring fit, all in do time.

Ooh, I like this! The only thing I ever do differently is change a tracking link to a TP to draw aggro away from the drones. That, or use a MJD to stay at range.

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1033 - 2013-12-06 18:04:08 UTC
I like the TP idea, it's nice to bring them to you haha.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#1034 - 2013-12-06 18:26:56 UTC
the slot layout is underwhelming, it wont be able to do any real dps nor tank any good, i suggest to change it to a 7/4/8 more adequate for fitting the armor plating, capacitor mods, and damage modules, along with scanners.

as it is currently, that thing is an overpriced piece of crap with no real use. from both the PVP and PVE standpoint.
marVLs
#1035 - 2013-12-06 18:28:40 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
marVLs wrote:
Why would You use Nestor for lvl4s and anoms when there's Domi or navy domi or rattler...

Because it's an awesome, new ship- I use a domi but I want to try this out too Big smile


It's obvious that everyone will want to fly it even one time but what after that? Even now it's obvious that domis will be better option for PVE. Adding ship only because it's new and won't have purpose in week after launch isn't good idea...
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1036 - 2013-12-06 18:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Ager Agemo wrote:
the slot layout is underwhelming, it wont be able to do any real dps nor tank any good, i suggest to change it to a 7/4/8 more adequate for fitting the armor plating, capacitor mods, and damage modules, along with scanners.

as it is currently, that thing is an overpriced piece of crap with no real use. from both the PVP and PVE standpoint.

I kind of agree- but 7-5-7 would be fine too Big smile

Actually, You could even do a lot with it right now- and for PVE, you could have very accurate drones with all of those mids.

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1037 - 2013-12-06 18:38:05 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
marVLs wrote:
Why would You use Nestor for lvl4s and anoms when there's Domi or navy domi or rattler...

Because it's an awesome, new ship- I use a domi but I want to try this out too Big smile


It's obvious that everyone will want to fly it even one time but what after that? Even now it's obvious that domis will be better option for PVE. Adding ship only because it's new and won't have purpose in week after launch isn't good idea...

Well, it has some upsides- more room for tracking links, pirate resists AND armor resist bonus by level, big drone bay, etc. It has possibilities, but it'll be different from a domi.

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1038 - 2013-12-06 18:55:18 UTC
Quote:

the slot layout is underwhelming, it wont be able to do any real dps nor tank any good, i suggest to change it to a 7/4/8 more adequate for fitting the armor plating, capacitor mods, and damage modules, along with scanners.

as it is currently, that thing is an overpriced piece of crap with no real use. from both the PVP and PVE standpoint.


Are you high? The slot layout is fine. You will get over 1,000 DPS with drones and lasers easy, and the tank will be more then good enough for PvE for sure and even not back for PvP if fit right. I see no issues with it at all. I'd like 6H, 6M, 7L, but I'd also like my wfie to have a 3 some with a super model, we don't get everything we want now do we?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1039 - 2013-12-06 19:44:31 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Rise, why to stick up so many bonuses jsut to mak e RR useful? Why not use this opportunity to rebalance the remote repairier themselves. Increase their base range, while nerfign the range bonus on logistic ships?


When a module absolutely NEEDS a 100% bonus to be usable, then surely somethign is wrogn in the module, not in the ship.



Yeah well, wait till people realize that there is no cap bonus and you need a cap chain to run the bonused reppers, remember a Guardian at logi 5 has a 75% reduction to repper AND transfer cap consupmtion, this isn't getting that.



Yeah, you are quite correct.
I took a look at an Armageddon, which has precisely the same base cap. (not sure on the recharge rate, but I assume it is close)

I filled the highs with 3 Large Solace reppers, and 4 Large T2 cap Transfers.


I don't get why people are talking about fitting cap transfers onto this thing. It doesn't get any bonuses to Energy Transfer Array range or amount, so the ETA's just energy wasted. It'd be like stuffing ETAs onto a Tempest: useless. Worse than useless, really, because trying to run a cap chain w/these things means you're actually making the entire chain less cap-efficient, not more.

Is there some reason to chain these up, other than preventing enemy neuts? Because as it is, I feel like chaining them up just means you're doing the neuting for them.


Because the reppers will cap it out in seconds otherwise....
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1040 - 2013-12-06 19:49:00 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Quote:

the slot layout is underwhelming, it wont be able to do any real dps nor tank any good, i suggest to change it to a 7/4/8 more adequate for fitting the armor plating, capacitor mods, and damage modules, along with scanners.

as it is currently, that thing is an overpriced piece of crap with no real use. from both the PVP and PVE standpoint.


Are you high? The slot layout is fine. You will get over 1,000 DPS with drones and lasers easy, and the tank will be more then good enough for PvE for sure and even not back for PvP if fit right. I see no issues with it at all. I'd like 6H, 6M, 7L, but I'd also like my wfie to have a 3 some with a super model, we don't get everything we want now do we?


1000 dps for a minute or two...and good help you need a local tank