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Holy hell, the Tornado is a gankers dream.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#41 - 2011-11-21 18:39:55 UTC
I agree that it is a gankers dream.

We already have our SB's are ready. Have fun hitting us with those 1400's.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-11-21 18:46:49 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Finally got a chance to EFT this new toy.

Hell yes, who needs insurance when you've got Tornado-power?

With a 5% fitting implant and Level V skills, you can cram on:

Just takes a 120 million ISK implant you say? And your pod gets ejected from your ship every time you carry out a gank? Interesting :)
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2011-11-21 18:48:28 UTC
Or maybe all you gankers can go down to low or null and kill each other there? Something a little more challenging than killing someone who can't fight back.

I know, I know. Unrealistic. Eve isn't a pvp game.
Amro One
One.
#44 - 2011-11-21 19:13:55 UTC
What even better then a carebear tear, is PVPer tears when they find out their O so dreamy boat gets nerfed or is not what they think it is when it hit tranquility.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#45 - 2011-11-21 19:26:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:

A tanked Orca can have almost 300k EHP and carry nearly 530k m³ of stuff.
A cargo-expanded Orca will easily drop down to 80k EHP and will carry maybe 570k m³ of stuff.
That minuscule increase in carrying capacity is not worth the massive reduction in EHP.


Tippia, I respect you for your knowledge on a lot of various things, including the advice you've given over time in regards to Orcas, but I have to say that claiming 530k/570km3 of cargo space is stretching it a bit.
Yes, you can transport assembled ships, but beyond that, the maintenance hangar makes it difficult to carry much else.
If you *want* to spend half an hour docking 30 frigates, that's fine, but there's little value to the ships that are small enough to make the best use of that space.
Yes, you can dock a bestower that is loaded with "charge" class items, but that's it.

I would argue that for all intents and purposes, the maintenance hangar is only useful as cargo for what is likely a small percentage of users.

This doesn't invalidate the commentary on tanking the Orca. Using cargo expander modules is a bad choice, but making the Orca out to be a Mini-Charon just seems wrong considering the logistics of actually using the 400km3 of space.

Profit favors the prepared
Ivan En'Vec
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#46 - 2011-11-21 19:30:57 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
I agree that it is a gankers dream.

We already have our SB's are ready. Have fun hitting us with those 1400's.


Locked and loaded. I for one will be cloaked in your favorite -1.0 system on patch day, hunting these things down as they come in.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#47 - 2011-11-21 19:30:59 UTC
Damn. If only the Naga were as wonderful for gankage... oh well, guess its time to train Minnie ships... Oddly enough I already have Large Projectile Turret and lots of gunnery skills....

ZIONS WANTS DERICIOUS GANKING SHIPS NAOW!
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#48 - 2011-11-21 19:47:53 UTC
A little clarification please.

I killed a can flipper a ways back. Since his pod was still flashy red and I dislike thieves I blew his brains out. Suffice to say Concord did not appreciate this and let me know by popping my frig and handing me a nice sec status hit from 4.5 to 0.5. Since then I've been kinda reluctant to shoot anything in high sec that isn't -5 or lower.

Does GCC allow podding regardless of sec status ? For all their bravado about not being pubbies Goons + pets seem to all have the very carebearish sec status of 5.0 which would preclude podding them in high sec no ?

Enlighten me please so we can even the odds ever so minutely.

And ya, CCP sucks for designing indy ships. The never ending series of buff's to firepower have not once been matched by so much as a single pg or cpu to any industrial ship to give then any chance at survivability. Nice balance.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#49 - 2011-11-21 19:52:30 UTC
And once again CCP watches their plans backfire as a ship designed to take on CAPITAL ships will be massively used against: industrials.

This is why we can't have nice things. You whine like spoiled children for new toys, and yet insist that the only fruit you want is the one on the low branch. Go forth into null, and use these ships to carve away slices of the large alliances. Ah, no, that would be work. Ganking miners in high sec is more fun. THEN you complain when there's no one left to gank. Exactly why the hell do you play EVE again?
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#50 - 2011-11-21 19:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Paragon Renegade
"We want to gave MOAR PVP! LET US ATTACK DEFENSELESS PEOPLE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS! :D Screw fighting people in low & null in fights that aren't totally one-sided! Don't make me work!"

lol

You guys are a joke

The pie is a tautology
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#51 - 2011-11-21 20:04:21 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
"We want to gave MOAR PVP! LET US ATTACK DEFENSELESS PEOPLE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS! :D Screw fighting people in low & null in fights that aren't totally one-sided! Don't make me work!"

lol

You guys are a joke


We do it for a variety of reasons:
1) You're a goddamn loot piñata. Can't tell you how many times an industrial ship has dropped delicious goodies.
2) You whine soooo much on the forums and in game.
3) EVE is not to be played AFK, we are punishing you for that.
4) ***** and giggles.
5) Its so easy, and the way to fight it is even easier. Figure out d scan, and always be prepared to warp out.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#52 - 2011-11-21 20:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Paragon Renegade
Zions Child wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
"We want to gave MOAR PVP! LET US ATTACK DEFENSELESS PEOPLE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS! :D Screw fighting people in low & null in fights that aren't totally one-sided! Don't make me work!"

lol

You guys are a joke


We do it for a variety of reasons:
1) You're a goddamn loot piñata. Can't tell you how many times an industrial ship has dropped delicious goodies.
2) You whine soooo much on the forums and in game.
3) EVE is not to be played AFK, we are punishing you for that.
4) ***** and giggles.
5) Its so easy, and the way to fight it is even easier. Figure out d scan, and always be prepared to warp out.


1) No ****. Lowsec and null exist for a reason

2) Cool.

3) Cool. Wait, why don't you kill bots in Null? Sack up

4) Again, cool story bro. Instead of attacking actual targets that fight back, you cower behind the shield of Hisec so you can avoid any actual conflict you may possibly lose.

5) I noticed something about suicide gankers; they're too cowardly to attack anything else, so they attack the defenseless ones.

So in conclusion from what you said: "It's easy, and we like making people mad to make our small epeens feel larger. Miners should adapt"

Of course, miners who AFK are ********, no argument there

The pie is a tautology
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#53 - 2011-11-21 20:12:26 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Finally got a chance to EFT this new toy.


How did you get the new BCs in EFT? Are we not on 2.13.4 still?

Damn nature, you scary!
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-11-21 20:18:02 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Zions Child wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
"We want to gave MOAR PVP! LET US ATTACK DEFENSELESS PEOPLE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS! :D Screw fighting people in low & null in fights that aren't totally one-sided! Don't make me work!"

lol

You guys are a joke


We do it for a variety of reasons:
1) You're a goddamn loot piñata. Can't tell you how many times an industrial ship has dropped delicious goodies.
2) You whine soooo much on the forums and in game.
3) EVE is not to be played AFK, we are punishing you for that.
4) ***** and giggles.
5) Its so easy, and the way to fight it is even easier. Figure out d scan, and always be prepared to warp out.


1) No ****. Lowsec and null exist for a reason

2) Cool.

3) Cool. Wait, why don't you kill bots in Null? Sack up

4) Again, cool story bro. Instead of attacking actual targets that fight back, you cower behind the shield of Hisec so you can avoid any actual conflict you may possibly lose.

5) I noticed something about suicide gankers; they're too cowardly to attack anything else, so they attack the defenseless ones.

So in conclusion from what you said: "It's easy, and we like making people mad to make our small epeens feel larger. Miners should adapt"

Of course, miners who AFK are ********, no argument there


I do it just for fun. I'm paying for this game so I wan't to have some fun, and what is more fun than ganking miners?

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#55 - 2011-11-21 20:20:23 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Zions Child wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
"We want to gave MOAR PVP! LET US ATTACK DEFENSELESS PEOPLE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS! :D Screw fighting people in low & null in fights that aren't totally one-sided! Don't make me work!"

lol

You guys are a joke


We do it for a variety of reasons:
1) You're a goddamn loot piñata. Can't tell you how many times an industrial ship has dropped delicious goodies.
2) You whine soooo much on the forums and in game.
3) EVE is not to be played AFK, we are punishing you for that.
4) ***** and giggles.
5) Its so easy, and the way to fight it is even easier. Figure out d scan, and always be prepared to warp out.


1) No ****. Lowsec and null exist for a reason [And I roam those too, genius]

2) Cool.

3) Cool. Wait, why don't you kill bots in Null? Sack up [Who says I don't? Idiot.]

4) Again, cool story bro. Instead of attacking actual targets that fight back, you cower behind the shield of Hisec so you can avoid any actual conflict you may possibly lose.

5) I noticed something about suicide gankers; they're too cowardly to attack anything else, so they attack the defenseless ones.

So in conclusion from what you said: "It's easy, and we like making people mad to make our small epeens feel larger. Miners should adapt" [No, in conclusion, its relaxing and a way to make isk without doing a whole lot of work. Real PvP requires a good deal more effort and not generally a good way to make isk. When I feel like putting in effort, I roam low and null, when I feel like having a pleasurable gankfest, I go into hi-sec with a gankship.]
Of course, miners who AFK are ********, no argument there


FYP

You think I just gank in hisec? I live in null and enjoy roaming low sec. Please, find me a person who ganks industrials and never ever goes anywhere else to get kills. You are attacking a straw man. Funny thing about the straw man argument? Its a logical fallacy. Now, gtfo of the forums with your troll logic.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#56 - 2011-11-21 20:23:22 UTC
TuonelanOrja wrote:


I do it just for fun. I'm paying for this game so I wan't to have some fun, and what is more fun than ganking miners?


Fighting enemies that outnumber/outgun you or your group

Defending a POS

Roaming around in Low, and getting into a 20 v 20 fight in the orbit of a star

Fighting defenseless people is good (Fun to me) only when you're attempting to deny resources or make quick ISK in low.

The pie is a tautology
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#57 - 2011-11-21 20:24:39 UTC
Zions Child wrote:

FYP

You think I just gank in hisec? I live in null and enjoy roaming low sec. Please, find me a person who ganks industrials and never ever goes anywhere else to get kills. You are attacking a straw man. Funny thing about the straw man argument? Its a logical fallacy. Now, gtfo of the forums with your troll logic.


Wow, that null & low warfare must be fun if you're resorting to this.

Just let me pay a goonswarm representative to move all my stuff there.

The pie is a tautology
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2011-11-21 20:45:39 UTC
Dalloway Jones wrote:
Unrealistic. Eve isn't a pvp game.
Yes. Trying to paint EVE as something other than a PvP game is highly unrealistic.
Ptraci wrote:
And once again CCP watches their plans backfire as a ship designed to take on CAPITAL ships will be massively used against: industrials.
I know people have kept saying that but… where on earth does the idea that they're supposed to be anti-cap ships come from? I can't remember ever seeing it mentioned in any of the dev posts.
Evei Shard wrote:
Tippia, I respect you for your knowledge on a lot of various things, including the advice you've given over time in regards to Orcas, but I have to say that claiming 530k/570km3 of cargo space is stretching it a bit.
I'm not saying they have 530k cargo space — I'm saying they can transport 530k m³ worth of stuff. You can get a surprising amount of use out of that 400k hangar bay…

And anyway, even if just look at pure cargo space, you're still going from 130k to 170k (less than 50% increase) cargo in exchange from a 75% reduction in survivability and a 100%+ increase in drop value.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-11-21 20:45:52 UTC
I've always been curious about something - has anyone ever been known to go to the Fanfest, found a particular person that ganked or scammed that person, and then broke that person's nose right there and then in real life revenge?

After reading the forums for years, it seems people ride one of two sides of the same fence:

- Everything is serious business, especially internet spaceships.

- It is just a game.

Sorry for the derail. Smile
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-11-21 20:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
When they hinted the new BC's were getting 8 large turrets, I balked at the idea. Mostly because I feared they'd seriously be in danger of obsoleting BS's for any task that didn't require BS tanks (ie, PVE).

My fears were confirmed when the stats were announced and ships like the Tornado can fit 8x 1400mm's.

I would have thought CCP would have gone for 4, 5 or 6 L turrets and left fitting 7/8 to BS's, or limited the PG/CPU enough so that they couldn't fit a full rack of top tier weapons if they insisted on keeping 8 turrets.


Alas, CCP appear hell bent on releasing something which is going to masively upset the general line up of ships.

Still. Might have a temporary career change until CCP implement changes if they hit TQ in their current form. Ganking sounds like it could be profitable.