EVE General Discussion

a freighter for 185mil? where?

No...

I hear a lot of people complaining about the gap between indies and freighters. (Not in here, this thread is just dumb.)

The Orca is so flexible (it's really insanely flexible to be honest) that it fills that entire gap AND then some.

You can make it fast, you can make it wide, and you can make it thick. 2 lows gives it more EHP than a freighter. It can carry general cargo, ore, and ships in spades. It can boost mining ops. For a lot of commodities it can be balanced beautifully between EHP and cargo space to really optimize against for-profit ganking. Toss a 100MN AB on it and you've cut align time in half. Add rigs to make it warp faster.

The real beauty, of course, is that it's a ship that starts off so well-rounded that you don't have to sacrifice much in other areas when you specialize it.

Yes, I sell Orcas. They're the new black.

beginner + low sec = epithal for PI.
cloak, mwd, 4 wcs and a tank. many have tried to tackle my epithals....all have failed.

Same with Bustard. Massive hauling space, secure Scram-free flight or combination, your choice

Back off, they're mine!

*wardecs*

Walla. I'm guessing he's annoyed by the background chants in Amarr stations or something…

Dont worry.. we will be wardeccign you this eweekend to show you why you want a cloak in High sec. No need to thanks. But a 500Mil donation so we can continue teachign others is welcome.

I'd like to say the OP has a point, but to be honest I'm not even sure what she's on about. I would like to know where you can get freighters for 150M, tho.

However, there is truth in the statement that advanced industrial ships could use some work. Blockade Runners are fine, having an unique role in being able to warp while cloaked, but they have an essentially useless bonus in shield/armour rep amount. When was the last time you active tanked a hauler? If you tank it at all, you fit a buffer tank and hope it stays alove longer enough to warp off or reach the gate. Especially true for armour tanked ones who want to use those lows for cargo expanders.

Deep Space Transports, however, really need a rework. As it stands they're somewhat more durable thank t1 industrials, but still not very durable, very expensive and very slow. The only thing they really have going for them is +2 warp core strenght. I think that if Bloackade Runners are designed to transport valuable cargo by avoiding attacks (being able to cloak and being immune to cargi scan), the DSTs should take the approach of being able to transport valuable cargo by being well protected. Think of them as a space ship version of those armoured cars used to transport money. Give them t2 resist profiles and replace the armour/shield repair bonues with a resist bonus. While still vulnerable to a proper gatecamp in low/null, they would be tough enough to survive a single ship trying to kill them them (especially with the warp core strenght keeping single ships from pointing them, asside from some faction points or HICs), and be tough enough to discourage suicide ganking unless the ship is carrying extremely vaulable cargo (like with Freighters, where you generally don't bother suicide ganking them unless it has over 1B worth of cargo as othervise the isk you lose from the suicided ships is more than the isk you gain).

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If you have an idea for how to improve Eve, please flesh it out and post it in the Features & Ideas Discussion Subforum.

I also recommend double-checking your ship facts and names, if only to avoid confusion and petty bickering:

- T1 industrials top out at 37k m3 of cargo (or so). Industrials with specialized holds can haul more than that, but are restricted in the kind of cargo they can carry (minerals, ammo, etc). Cargo modules/rigs also do not work on specialized cargo holds. Price: 10-20 mil total.

- T2 blockade runners (Prorator, Crane, Viator, Prowler) are small haulers topping out at 10-15k m3. To compensate for the small cargohold, they: a) have covert ops cloaks b) warp at frigate speeds c) have very low align times, and d) are immune to cargo scanning. Price: 100-150 mil total.

- T2 deep space transports (Impel, Bustard, Occator, Mastodon) are large haulers with built-in warp core stabilization and large tanks. They are, however, slow. They have also not been touched by a rebalance in forever. Price: 100-150 mil total.

- T1 freighters (Providence, Charon, Obelisk, Fenrir) are giant capital-class haulers. They are very, very slow, but top out at 981k m3 of generic cargo (26x a T1 industrial). They cannot fit modules. Price: 1000-1300 mil.

- T2 jump freighters (Ark, Rhea, Anshar, Nomad) are somewhat smaller freighters that have better hit points and can use jump drives to quicklly traverse huge distances. They top out at 368k m3 of generic cargo. Price: ~ 6000 mil.