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Advanced Industrial Ships, are just stupid. *o yea Gallante OP haulers*

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Brendan Anneto
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#61 - 2013-12-06 06:26:34 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
face it, those ships need a Overhaul.
first of all, the costs.
Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil.
Ship 150 Mil

damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space.
also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times
the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%

Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.

away, back to topic.
Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved.

if there was a facepalm selection i would click that right now.

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Meskiaggaseir
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-12-06 08:29:19 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
face it, those ships need a Overhaul.
first of all, the costs.
Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil.
Ship 150 Mil

damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space.
also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times
the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%

Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.

away, back to topic.
Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved.


a freighter for 185mil? where?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#63 - 2013-12-06 09:43:05 UTC
Mysttina wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Am I too late for the 175M freighters? I'll take 5.


I'll take 5 and increase the offer to 200M isk each Big smile

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#64 - 2013-12-06 11:01:05 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil.
Ship 150 Mil

damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space.

No...

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Arwen Ariniel
Shaolin Legacy
Preatoriani
#65 - 2013-12-06 11:05:55 UTC
The Spod wrote:
OP writing in character.

Nope, it's not a blonde...
Or maybe she dyed her hair...
Yeah, that's it.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#66 - 2013-12-06 11:50:17 UTC
I hear a lot of people complaining about the gap between indies and freighters. (Not in here, this thread is just dumb.)

The Orca is so flexible (it's really insanely flexible to be honest) that it fills that entire gap AND then some.

You can make it fast, you can make it wide, and you can make it thick. 2 lows gives it more EHP than a freighter. It can carry general cargo, ore, and ships in spades. It can boost mining ops. For a lot of commodities it can be balanced beautifully between EHP and cargo space to really optimize against for-profit ganking. Toss a 100MN AB on it and you've cut align time in half. Add rigs to make it warp faster.

The real beauty, of course, is that it's a ship that starts off so well-rounded that you don't have to sacrifice much in other areas when you specialize it.

Yes, I sell Orcas. They're the new black.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#67 - 2013-12-06 12:48:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
It's amusing how many have fallen for a pretty terrible troll.



I never thought I'd see this day, but... I have to agree with Ziona.



I cannot believe I just typed that, damn you OP.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2013-12-06 12:56:06 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Honestly though, DSTs could use some dev love. It was like forever since convoys were a thing, at this point those ships are kinda pointless when compared to other options.


yeah Deep Space Transports are a bit pointless ... Blockade Runners are still useful though ... and with prices down around 100 mill they are something of a bargain.

Though if you want a real bargain for beginning players, the best lowsec option has to be the Nereus. With average/good skills you can fit a LSE and invuls for a 20k tank whilst still managing to squeeze in a cloak II, MWD and nano's and warp stabs in the low slots ... and it has drones.

However if I am not mistaken, the original poster seems to be thinking of T2s as mini freighters for potential hisec use ?? Odd ... and missing the point of BRs and DSTs entirely.


beginner + low sec = epithal for PI.
cloak, mwd, 4 wcs and a tank. many have tried to tackle my epithals....all have failed.

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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#69 - 2013-12-06 13:00:10 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:

away, back to topic.
Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved.


T2 ships are not supposed to be easy to train for. Blockade Runners were the first T2 ships I unlocked. I think I was piloting one within a few months of playing and 100m-200m ISK wasn't that hard to come by at that point. It was about a year into the game before I got my primary piloting most of the other T2 ships,
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#70 - 2013-12-06 13:01:13 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:


beginner + low sec = epithal for PI.
cloak, mwd, 4 wcs and a tank. many have tried to tackle my epithals....all have failed.



Same with Bustard. Massive hauling space, secure Scram-free flight or combination, your choice

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#71 - 2013-12-06 13:06:14 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla, problems solved.


Voila !

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Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-12-06 13:10:11 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Am I too late for the 175M freighters? I'll take 5.


Back off, they're mine!

*wardecs*

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Keno Skir
#73 - 2013-12-06 13:12:05 UTC
OP has no clue what he's on about.

Nuff said. Really.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#74 - 2013-12-06 13:46:08 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Abisha Baboli wrote:
, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla, problems solved.

Voila !

Walla. I'm guessing he's annoyed by the background chants in Amarr stations or something… P
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#75 - 2013-12-06 13:47:12 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic.



lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly.
nope no difference.


So, freighters got an agility, speed and warp speed boost too now?
And the ability to fit modules, including t1 cloak and hardeners?

At 150m I will buy them all as fast as you can supply them ^^

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-12-06 13:51:19 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Abisha Baboli wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic.



lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly.
nope no difference.


yeah, it's not like one of those categories can fit modules, and even a covert ops cloak Roll

while the other category can fit umm....Nothing.


really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............



Dont worry.. we will be wardeccign you this eweekend to show you why you want a cloak in High sec. No need to thanks. But a 500Mil donation so we can continue teachign others is welcome.

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Abisha Baboli
#77 - 2013-12-06 13:51:56 UTC
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
Abisha Baboli wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic.



lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly.
nope no difference.


So, freighters got an agility, speed and warp speed boost too now?
And the ability to fit modules, including t1 cloak and hardeners?

At 150m I will buy them all as fast as you can supply them ^^


called ->leverage<- man don't hurt trying to understand.
Maxim Hibra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2013-12-06 13:58:33 UTC
I'd like to say the OP has a point, but to be honest I'm not even sure what she's on about. I would like to know where you can get freighters for 150M, tho.

However, there is truth in the statement that advanced industrial ships could use some work. Blockade Runners are fine, having an unique role in being able to warp while cloaked, but they have an essentially useless bonus in shield/armour rep amount. When was the last time you active tanked a hauler? If you tank it at all, you fit a buffer tank and hope it stays alove longer enough to warp off or reach the gate. Especially true for armour tanked ones who want to use those lows for cargo expanders.

Deep Space Transports, however, really need a rework. As it stands they're somewhat more durable thank t1 industrials, but still not very durable, very expensive and very slow. The only thing they really have going for them is +2 warp core strenght. I think that if Bloackade Runners are designed to transport valuable cargo by avoiding attacks (being able to cloak and being immune to cargi scan), the DSTs should take the approach of being able to transport valuable cargo by being well protected. Think of them as a space ship version of those armoured cars used to transport money. Give them t2 resist profiles and replace the armour/shield repair bonues with a resist bonus. While still vulnerable to a proper gatecamp in low/null, they would be tough enough to survive a single ship trying to kill them them (especially with the warp core strenght keeping single ships from pointing them, asside from some faction points or HICs), and be tough enough to discourage suicide ganking unless the ship is carrying extremely vaulable cargo (like with Freighters, where you generally don't bother suicide ganking them unless it has over 1B worth of cargo as othervise the isk you lose from the suicided ships is more than the isk you gain).
Abisha Baboli
#79 - 2013-12-06 14:47:41 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Abisha Baboli wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Abisha Baboli wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic.



lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly.
nope no difference.


yeah, it's not like one of those categories can fit modules, and even a covert ops cloak Roll

while the other category can fit umm....Nothing.


really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............



Dont worry.. we will be wardeccign you this eweekend to show you why you want a cloak in High sec. No need to thanks. But a 500Mil donation so we can continue teachign others is welcome.


suppose to care about a wardec?, i just join the NPC corp.
and remake it
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#80 - 2013-12-06 15:57:49 UTC
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22. Post constructively.

Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.]

Thread locked.

If you have an idea for how to improve Eve, please flesh it out and post it in the Features & Ideas Discussion Subforum.

I also recommend double-checking your ship facts and names, if only to avoid confusion and petty bickering:

- T1 industrials top out at 37k m3 of cargo (or so). Industrials with specialized holds can haul more than that, but are restricted in the kind of cargo they can carry (minerals, ammo, etc). Cargo modules/rigs also do not work on specialized cargo holds. Price: 10-20 mil total.

- T2 blockade runners (Prorator, Crane, Viator, Prowler) are small haulers topping out at 10-15k m3. To compensate for the small cargohold, they: a) have covert ops cloaks b) warp at frigate speeds c) have very low align times, and d) are immune to cargo scanning. Price: 100-150 mil total.

- T2 deep space transports (Impel, Bustard, Occator, Mastodon) are large haulers with built-in warp core stabilization and large tanks. They are, however, slow. They have also not been touched by a rebalance in forever. Price: 100-150 mil total.

- T1 freighters (Providence, Charon, Obelisk, Fenrir) are giant capital-class haulers. They are very, very slow, but top out at 981k m3 of generic cargo (26x a T1 industrial). They cannot fit modules. Price: 1000-1300 mil.

- T2 jump freighters (Ark, Rhea, Anshar, Nomad) are somewhat smaller freighters that have better hit points and can use jump drives to quicklly traverse huge distances. They top out at 368k m3 of generic cargo. Price: ~ 6000 mil.


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