EVE General Discussion

Hrm... Well if you haven't run into any trolls yet you haven't met me.

Anyways... People say winning combat takes skills.

Well it does, but it does not.

Victory in any PVP situation requires numbers and surprise. Skills come a third I suppose.

I say this because there are only so many skills you can train to level 5 for combat.

To increase your chances of victory you must either surprise the person with their pants down and or have superior numbers (preferably both).

Still PVP doesn't really require any skill beyond having a competent FC and people who actually listen on voice comms to commands.

That said, FC's are often incompetent and people don't know how to listen to commands.

So the real determinant of e-peen victory is having a person who can give commands and people who can listen to those commands which means victory is often determined by which side is the stupidest and has more numbers.

I mean, if you have 50 vs 5 you usually have the 50 winning unless they are really bad.

Hey it can happen.

Yes, you're completely right. You should go buy a high SP character and, armed with the power of the eve wiki, you'll be unstoppable.

I'd say 80% of fights are decided before a shot has been fired, What you fly, how you fly and with whom you fly are all factors that lead up to the fight.
Also how you get the fight makes a fair difference. I know FC's that have had their small gang fleets crushed by many smaller forces because they don't use gate agression or timers as well as the other FC.

*****MADE UP NUMBER ALERT****
SP gives you the tools to use things, and minor bonuses. At the end of the day my day 5 rifter pulls 150dps against your 8yr vet toon that pulls 220dps, Then i bring a nother day 5 rifter and i have 300 vs your 220.

Obviously there is much more to the fights and everything going on but tbh, skills dont make and break the game, they give levels of complexity but theres always the Falcon/ OGB/Blob you dont see

It has yet to happen but I am in no way decent at PVP because I only have 4 months of experience playing. Like playing the Piano or building houses experience means a lot. It is catchy but true.

I'm not a vet, but so far from what I know, EVE PvP is all about thought. It's a rapid game of chess on most, if not all levels (unless TD then just slow chess) If you plan your moves out, try to think about what your opponent will do, and bring the right piece for the mission, you have a chance to win.

The great thing about Eve is skillpoints do very little to dictate the outcome of the majority of pvp engagements in this game.

I'm not going to waste time trying to counter arguments against that ; I will just leave folks to gather their own skillpoints over time and learn the wisdom to agree with me.

Here's an example:

Yesterday I was soloing a FW plex in my T2 fit, T2 rigged Enyo when a Brave Newbie came in and engaged me with his atron... he died fairly swiftly but a few moments later a cormorant came in after him to maintain point, and I noticed the large local spike but before I could kill the cormorant and escape i was plagued by frigates of every shape and variety and ....

To cut a long story short I ended up in my pod with no less than 24 Brave Newbies on my killmail - It was brilliant!! :)

Summing the skillpoints of their entire gang they probably just about made it up to my 152 million skillpoints or perhaps a bit above, but the whole point is the skillpoints of the individual pilot in that situation (and in most pvp) has very little outcome on the result of the pvp engagement. I'd argue that piloting mistakes, relative fittings and player experience have a 95% or more bearing on deciding pvp than the relative number like skillpoints.

I got ganked, blobbed or was stupid in some (risk averse) people's eyes, but I rubbish that notion - I lost a ship and went down fighting and can be proud of that - Brave Newbies ganked an 8 year vet and can be proud of that. At the end of the day skillpoints had very little to do with it and I personally enjoy the irony and appreciate a game where I feel like my 'powerful' character.... was like Gulliver being nailed down then executed by Lilliputians.

In summary all I'm going to suggest is you have to derive your enjoyment from Eve any way you can, dont use skillpoints or any other excuses to blind yourself to what is great about this game.

Being bitter doesn't sit well with my concept of winning EVE on personal level though.

no just no , sling shots , manual flying , prepering , getting to right optimal , knowing traps , endless list , none of them use skills points , but experiance en skills with your mouse & keybord

In a 1 vs 1, or 1vs 2 or 3 for that matter, it comes down to the knowledge of the pilot involved. His ability to manage cap, keeping the correct distance, transversial. When to overload, and for how long, watching your drones, choosing the correct primary to maximise your chance to win an encounter against more then one person.

The skillpoints only helps deside wich ships and modules you use, the rest is up to your own personal skill.

There is empahsis and there is emphasis.