Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And that still doesn't answer the question; please explain how a web range bonus allows blap dreads to track ab hacs (or even ab frigates) in the same way that a 90% web does?

Clue, the key words there are "web range bonus"

Again, this is not about what dreads can do to webbed ships. It's about what a Vindicator can do compared to the other pirate battleships.

They are balanced to each others. And if CCP nerf the Vindicator, then the rest of the pirate ships needs to be nerfed as well (maybe except for the Nightmare) to be balanced to each others again.

Please explain how a web range bonus allows blap dreads to track ab hacs (or even ab frigates) in the same way that a 90% web does?

So the pirate battleships should work after how the dreads are working?

I personally think that web bonuses on ships with more than 100k ehp should die in a fire.

But yea 90% ones are the worst offenders due to how it stacks with dreads (That said the range on linky, bonused webs is really stupid)

Why?

Then i can say the same about ships with over 100k EHP that have neut bonuses also should die in a fire as neuts is as dangerous as webs, or even more dangerous as neuts can disable most of your ship rather than just speeds.

I will say that the Bhaalgorn is much more powerfull than the Vindicator as the ship can slow your ship down quite alot from around 30 km and on top of that neut you dry that pretty much disable your whole ship rather than just disabling your speed like the Vindicator do.

So answer me, would you accept to let the web strenght bonus on the Vindicator go if the web range bonus on the Bhaalgorn would go to?

Again, you can't just look at one module and then rate how a ship performs. When you take the whole Vindicator with modules fitted and compares it to a Bhaalgorn or even a Machariel with modules fitted, they are pretty even for the most part.

So you can't nerf just one pirate battleship as that would unbalance them to each others.

EDIT: Just to add. Any professional and experienced Machariel pilots will ALWAYS win over other ships by keeping range / controlling distance. How is that not any more overpowered than being close and controlling the fight there in the same way as a Machariel pilot controls the fight at ranges?

Yes, the mach will probably be nerfed as well.

Dreads are not pirate ships.

Just saying.

This is true. However I dont think anyone besides you has ever argued that the only metric for balance should be intra-class balance.

And multiple people have said in this thread "90% webs are super broken, but when you nerf them you have to give the serpentis line something else"

That something else will probably take the form of a falloff or tracking bonus (or even both), unless Fozzie decides to do something more exotic.